Hey bikeira,

Way back on Saturday, May 04, 2002, 10:59:08 AM, you said something like:

bjc> In a message from Steve Spindler about critical mass in Minneapolis, it was 
stated;

>>From there, he said, he would like to make stop signs the equivalent of
bjc> yield signs for bicyclists.

bjc> =B3This is how bikes treat them. It=B9s realistic,=B2 he said. =B3If a biker
bjc>  rolls
bjc> through a stop sign, as if it was a yield sign, and there is a problem, the
bjc> damage happens to the biker, not to his victims.=B2

bjc> I have been thinking along these lines for a couple of years now and was 
wondering if anyone else is. Now that biking is becoming a legitimate means of 
transportation and folks are realizing the
bjc> myriad benefits of substituting bike trips for car trips, we should begin to push 
for special provisions like a stop sign acts as a yield for cyclists. Possibly red 
lights too. And how about
bjc> moving up the right side of a line of cars waiting at a red light. I like to set 
a good example but I refuse to subject myself to unneccesary car fumes.
bjc> Ira Josephs

I have heard people discuss the concept of stops as yields and red
lights as stops, which seems a good practice, but I'm sure hard to
justify to the public.  Cyclists know that on a bike you can see and
hear traffic much clearer at an intersection than a car can, but to
put that in law takes a lot of work.

Also, different locals have different laws on passing cars at a light.
DC has a rule that allows bikes to pass parked cars, which some have
interpreted the wording to allow for passing stopped vehicles at a
light.  I don't know Philly's rules on this tho...


--Mike
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