I am trying to determine whether Boise, ID already allows cyclists to treat
stop signs and red lights like yield signs.  I have heard of this several
times, but it may just be an "urban legend."

I believe the case can be made to legitimize this behavior by cyclists.  And
it isn't just because many already treat stop signs and red lights like this
now.  It can actually make a great deal of sense...to both cyclists and
motorists.  We just have to have patience enough to carry out the necessary
(and probably lengthy) education process.

Dennis R. Winters
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: cyclists rights


> Hey bikeira,
>
> Way back on Saturday, May 04, 2002, 10:59:08 AM, you said something like:
>
> bjc> In a message from Steve Spindler about critical mass in Minneapolis,
it was stated;
>
> >>From there, he said, he would like to make stop signs the equivalent of
> bjc> yield signs for bicyclists.
>
> bjc> =B3This is how bikes treat them. It=B9s realistic,=B2 he said. =B3If
a biker
> bjc>  rolls
> bjc> through a stop sign, as if it was a yield sign, and there is a
problem, the
> bjc> damage happens to the biker, not to his victims.=B2
>
> bjc> I have been thinking along these lines for a couple of years now and
was wondering if anyone else is. Now that biking is becoming a legitimate
means of transportation and folks are realizing the
> bjc> myriad benefits of substituting bike trips for car trips, we should
begin to push for special provisions like a stop sign acts as a yield for
cyclists. Possibly red lights too. And how about
> bjc> moving up the right side of a line of cars waiting at a red light. I
like to set a good example but I refuse to subject myself to unneccesary car
fumes.
> bjc> Ira Josephs
>
> I have heard people discuss the concept of stops as yields and red
> lights as stops, which seems a good practice, but I'm sure hard to
> justify to the public.  Cyclists know that on a bike you can see and
> hear traffic much clearer at an intersection than a car can, but to
> put that in law takes a lot of work.
>
> Also, different locals have different laws on passing cars at a light.
> DC has a rule that allows bikes to pass parked cars, which some have
> interpreted the wording to allow for passing stopped vehicles at a
> light.  I don't know Philly's rules on this tho...
>
>
> --Mike
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>
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