C'mon, Paul, her point was that blowing through STOP signs is illegal.  The
bit about "CLEAR" was only to say that it is also rude.  Might I add that,
besides being illegal and rude, blowing through stop signs is dangerous
whether or not someone tells you it's clear?  Even though my habit is to
stop at stop signs, I have had fellow riders who are unaware of this habit
yell out "CLEAR" when they approach a stop sign before me, only to approach
(and stop) at the sign myself to see that, oh, look, there's a truck 10
yards away and coming toward me.  Somehow this does not calculate as "CLEAR"
in my book.  

So, no, what's "appreciated" by people sleeping in is not more important
than safety.  And what's appreciated by cyclists who want to blow through
stop signs is also not more important than safety.

ktk

on 7/13/04 8:10 AM, Paul T. O'Leary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> [Hmm, dunno why I didn't see this post originally; sorry 'bout the timing]
> 
> Date sent:       Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:24:00 -0500
> From:            Robbie Webber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> Yelling, "CLEAR" early in the morning is also not appreciated by those
>> trying to sleep in. (This tip from some friends that used to live at the T
>> intersection of Sayles Trl and Sun Valley Pkwy.)
> 
> So, what's "appreciated" by people sleeping in is more important than safety?
> This is an 
> utter red herring. 

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