What on God's green (Black?) earth does the legality of "blowing through STOP signs" have to do with the noise/"appreciation" factor of yelling "CLEAR"? First, the "CLEAR" signal does not imply that anyone is going to violate a STOP intersection. More to the point, the legality of whatever anyone does as a result of hearing "CLEAR" has no impact on those who are the subject of this topic at hand, namely, people disturbed by the noise. One is a traffic safety issue, the other is a noise issue; the two have, at most, a corn-silk of thread connecting them.
The issue of this thread is noise. My point was that, among all the noise nuisances one may to endure any given morning (farm equipment, diesel trucks, Harleys, teenagers blasting Judas Priest out the mega-basses of their Honda Civics with windows down, riding mowers, military aircraft [on an obvious upsurge, lately], etc.), a human voice yelling a one-syllable word is a minor player. Of course, since it's associated with the drama that's been unfolding this past week, it's probably more remembered by those who hear it than so many others that would easily drown it out, but which have become, in their minds and memories, part of the "aural landscape". Straying (or being led astray?) off-topic, I've also found "CLEAR" to be of little use. My rule of thumb is to be watchful of traffic myself. If anything is to be communicated verbally/orally, it should be _cautions_; I find it much more useful to hear "car right", "car back", et al., and in the absence of such, assume that I have to trust my own eyes/ears. The "CLEAR" signal involves a trust that, however well-intended the utterer might be, I'm not prepared to place in her/him. Still, for those who find a use for it, its noise nuisance value is at best nitpicking on the part of those who claim it. Should we use that same reasoning to refrain from yelling "Car back", or "gravel", or "braking"? > From: Kathryn Kingsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > C'mon, Paul, her point was that blowing through STOP signs is illegal. The > bit about "CLEAR" was only to say that it is also rude. Might I add that, > besides being illegal and rude, blowing through stop signs is dangerous > whether or not someone tells you it's clear? Even though my habit is to > stop at stop signs, I have had fellow riders who are unaware of this habit > yell out "CLEAR" when they approach a stop sign before me, only to approach > (and stop) at the sign myself to see that, oh, look, there's a truck 10 > yards away and coming toward me. Somehow this does not calculate as "CLEAR" > in my book. > > So, no, what's "appreciated" by people sleeping in is not more important > than safety. And what's appreciated by cyclists who want to blow through > stop signs is also not more important than safety. > > ktk > > on 7/13/04 8:10 AM, Paul T. O'Leary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [Hmm, dunno why I didn't see this post originally; sorry 'bout the timing] > > > > Date sent: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:24:00 -0500 > > From: Robbie Webber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Yelling, "CLEAR" early in the morning is also not appreciated by those > >> trying to sleep in. (This tip from some friends that used to live at the T > >> intersection of Sayles Trl and Sun Valley Pkwy.) > > > > So, what's "appreciated" by people sleeping in is more important than safety? > > This is an > > utter red herring. --------------- Paul T. O'Leary Desktop Insurgent Madison, WI USA NOTE: My Email has been haywire lately; if you have a reply, please send it to BOTH of the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies
