I think the volume of traffic on the SW path is (disappointingly) too small to warrant a stop sign for mv traffic on Glenway; plus the more cars stop on their merry way, the more fuel they burn. So, until we get more of a critical mass of bike commuters that mimics the mv crowd along Mineral Point, I don't see how the City would agree to stopping that traffic. I don't believe the visibility to the crossing from an mv coming up the hill heading north is impaired to a degree that merits stopping traffic. The problem is that some are going too [EMAIL PROTECTED] fast to allow for a safe crossing, especially across two lanes in opposite directions. Slowing vehicles down and providing a roomy center island refuge would make for a much safer crossing.
(The hill factor always seems much more disturbing to me at the Odana Rd. crossing. Surprisingly though, a large portion of the motorists using that stretch behave with uncommon courtesy to cyclists, peds and roller-skiers trying to cross there. It almost makes up for that center island being a little too narrow for the volume and speed of traffic.) I think there is plenty of room at the Glenway crossing to build a ped-bike safety island, and by keeping the passageway for vehicles narrow, they will slow down. The island has to be wide and long enough to hold 3 or 4 bikes and their riders (like the median at the crossing of Midvale). Island slowing works pretty well on Farley and Franklin, but those islands are a couple feet too narrow for comfort when crossing with a bike. To really slow m-vehicles down, the speed humps on Manitou seem extremely effective, so combining the two would appear ideal. With public park land and trail ROW at the site, I think it should be easy to accomplish. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 12:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Bikies] Glenway St. (and Odana Rd.) Crossings of Bikepath Speed bumps - drivers might look at them instead of bicyclists crossing the street? What wrong with a 4-stop sign on Glenway St. at the bike path (other than drivers don't like to stop) anyway? I still think that would be the best way to calm the traffic and prevent crashes as well. Mike Neuman ----------------- Former Messages --------------- Hmmm - City's argument re: speed humps and emergency vehicles seems specious. _BREAK_ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Bikies] Glenway St. Intersection with Southwest Multi-use Path ------ In Reply To --------- > Re: [Bikies] Glenway St. Intersection with Southwest Multi-use Path Mitchell Nussbaum Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:27:55 -0700 Stop signs work fine when drivers obey them, and most drivers do obey them, more or less, but when drivers don't pay attention, the signs can fail catastrophically. _BREAK_ _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies
