Its getting cold, here's fuel for the fire from Dane101. Make sure to read the comments and see the video analysis. <http://dane101.com/current/2009/09/02/cyclist_and_driver_share_blame_in_hamiltonwebster_crash_but>
Jesse writes: "That "hatched area" means "off-limits." If the cyclist is using the middle lane the proper spot for him is to be out in front of the bus or in-line behind the bus. He should stay in that lane until the road provides a bike path and should not be swerving around 14 ton vehicles. It is safer to share the road." On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM, India Rose Viola <[email protected]> wrote: > Doug, > > I agree to disagree. I'll keep my ears cocked while looking out, and you can > rely on your best tools- eyes and mirrors. As long as we get to where we are > going safely and without putting others in danger, I think we have it covered. > > -india > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Adler <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Comment on the biker hit by legislator who ran the red > light incident, but waitm there's more! > To: BikiesSubmissions <[email protected]> > >> Sorry I just don't see any of those saving the day. It's nice to know >> someone's passing but you can't count on the audible warning, so you >> should always look first and signal anyway if you plan to move left, >> because someone silent could be passing you. And audible warnings are >> nice to give but you can't assume the person you directed it towards >> isn't deaf (or listening to loud music on earbuds) so you should be on >> visual alert anyway. >> I would wager a person can't tell from the sound (in time to react >> anyway) whether a car coming up behind you is going to miss by 3 feet >> or 3 inches or nail you. A mirror is better for that but even then a >> sudden swerve is going to get you. And I'm no expert on goose behavior >> but to me they don't seem that much more likely to honk before they >> dash out. >> >> Lawmakers in NY proposed a law against people crossing the street >> while wearing headphones, which makes about as much sense to me as >> banning the deaf from crossing the street. To me banning them while >> biking would be about as ridiculous. Not that you are proposing >> that, but in terms of importance I think driving the message of riding >> like you are invisible and being truly defensive (as you have done >> quite well) does more to improve bicycle safety than opposing >> headphone use, and doesn't risk tuning out those who disagree on that >> point. >> And I think that video as Harry pointed out does exactly that. >> (Drives the message of riding defensively that is). >> >> -Doug >> >> India Rose Viola wrote: >> >Doug, >> > >> >I hear myself out of danger all the time- when people tell me they >> are passing, when cars swerve by, when a goose honks it's warning >> signal. And I also call others' attention to danger with my bell, >> voice etc. I use my waving arms, too, but there are a lot of times >> (really) that an audible warning does or could save the day. >> > >> >I don't attempt to use hearing instead of seeing, but I use it along >> with seeing. If you can't hear well or see well then maybe you have >> sufficiently trained yourself to rely on your better senses, but for >> the rest of us, we can use all the sensory help we can get. >> > >> >-india >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Doug Adler <[email protected]> >> >Date: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:29 pm >> >Subject: Re: [Bikies] Comment on the biker hit by legislator who ran >> the red light incident, but waitm there's more! >> >To: [email protected] >> >Cc: India Rose Viola <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> >>Great byline, but I just don't know if I can get on board with the >> no headphones thing. Maybe my bias as a result of my being hard of >> hearing, but I think being alert (and maybe using a mirror) is way >> more important than hearing. And depending on the volume you can >> still hear ok with them, probably better than I can with my hearing >> aids whistling in the wind anyway. So I hate to have music lovers >> tune out from the rest of the safety message. In what scenarios can >> you really hear yourself out of danger? I just don't see it... >> >> >> >>-Doug >> >> >> >>India Rose Viola wrote: >> >> >> >>>Although we are all distracted from time to time, I have to say >> that >> >>it seems from my anecdotal n=1 observations, that the privilege of >> driving a car/truck/SUV is not taken as seriously as it should be. As >> much as it may be inconvenient or difficult, driving requires one's >> full attention. I think biking on roadways or mixed-use paths does >> too... which could lead me down the path of getting all up-in-arms >> about folks who bike with earbuds/headphones on. I am not a fan of >> that. My new byline for cyclists is, "Our senses are our defenses". >> >> >> >> >>>-India (loves to preach, doesn't she?) >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> Doug Adler >> Instrument Engineer >> Space Science & Engineering Center >> University of Wisconsin-Madison >> [email protected] >> 608-265-9908 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > -- Pointlessly blogging at www.robindavies.us Try something new every day. _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
