More: <http://host.madison.com/news/state-and-regional/wisconsin/article_1c07959f-4d44-5e37-ab88-86b1a722c547.html> $88 ticket.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Robin <[email protected]> wrote: > Its getting cold, here's fuel for the fire from Dane101. Make sure to > read the comments and see the video analysis. > <http://dane101.com/current/2009/09/02/cyclist_and_driver_share_blame_in_hamiltonwebster_crash_but> > > Jesse writes: > "That "hatched area" means "off-limits." If the cyclist is using the > middle lane the proper spot for him is to be out in front of the bus > or in-line behind the bus. He should stay in that lane until the road > provides a bike path and should not be swerving around 14 ton > vehicles. It is safer to share the road." > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:10 PM, India Rose Viola <[email protected]> wrote: >> Doug, >> >> I agree to disagree. I'll keep my ears cocked while looking out, and you >> can rely on your best tools- eyes and mirrors. As long as we get to where >> we are going safely and without putting others in danger, I think we have it >> covered. >> >> -india >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Doug Adler <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:06 pm >> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Comment on the biker hit by legislator who ran the red >> light incident, but waitm there's more! >> To: BikiesSubmissions <[email protected]> >> >>> Sorry I just don't see any of those saving the day. It's nice to know >>> someone's passing but you can't count on the audible warning, so you >>> should always look first and signal anyway if you plan to move left, >>> because someone silent could be passing you. And audible warnings are >>> nice to give but you can't assume the person you directed it towards >>> isn't deaf (or listening to loud music on earbuds) so you should be on >>> visual alert anyway. >>> I would wager a person can't tell from the sound (in time to react >>> anyway) whether a car coming up behind you is going to miss by 3 feet >>> or 3 inches or nail you. A mirror is better for that but even then a >>> sudden swerve is going to get you. And I'm no expert on goose behavior >>> but to me they don't seem that much more likely to honk before they >>> dash out. >>> >>> Lawmakers in NY proposed a law against people crossing the street >>> while wearing headphones, which makes about as much sense to me as >>> banning the deaf from crossing the street. To me banning them while >>> biking would be about as ridiculous. Not that you are proposing >>> that, but in terms of importance I think driving the message of riding >>> like you are invisible and being truly defensive (as you have done >>> quite well) does more to improve bicycle safety than opposing >>> headphone use, and doesn't risk tuning out those who disagree on that >>> point. >>> And I think that video as Harry pointed out does exactly that. >>> (Drives the message of riding defensively that is). >>> >>> -Doug >>> >>> India Rose Viola wrote: >>> >Doug, >>> > >>> >I hear myself out of danger all the time- when people tell me they >>> are passing, when cars swerve by, when a goose honks it's warning >>> signal. And I also call others' attention to danger with my bell, >>> voice etc. I use my waving arms, too, but there are a lot of times >>> (really) that an audible warning does or could save the day. >>> > >>> >I don't attempt to use hearing instead of seeing, but I use it along >>> with seeing. If you can't hear well or see well then maybe you have >>> sufficiently trained yourself to rely on your better senses, but for >>> the rest of us, we can use all the sensory help we can get. >>> > >>> >-india >>> > >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: Doug Adler <[email protected]> >>> >Date: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:29 pm >>> >Subject: Re: [Bikies] Comment on the biker hit by legislator who ran >>> the red light incident, but waitm there's more! >>> >To: [email protected] >>> >Cc: India Rose Viola <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > >>> >>Great byline, but I just don't know if I can get on board with the >>> no headphones thing. Maybe my bias as a result of my being hard of >>> hearing, but I think being alert (and maybe using a mirror) is way >>> more important than hearing. And depending on the volume you can >>> still hear ok with them, probably better than I can with my hearing >>> aids whistling in the wind anyway. So I hate to have music lovers >>> tune out from the rest of the safety message. In what scenarios can >>> you really hear yourself out of danger? I just don't see it... >>> >> >>> >>-Doug >>> >> >>> >>India Rose Viola wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>Although we are all distracted from time to time, I have to say >>> that >>> >>it seems from my anecdotal n=1 observations, that the privilege of >>> driving a car/truck/SUV is not taken as seriously as it should be. As >>> much as it may be inconvenient or difficult, driving requires one's >>> full attention. I think biking on roadways or mixed-use paths does >>> too... which could lead me down the path of getting all up-in-arms >>> about folks who bike with earbuds/headphones on. I am not a fan of >>> that. My new byline for cyclists is, "Our senses are our defenses". >>> >>> >> >>> >>>-India (loves to preach, doesn't she?) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Adler >>> Instrument Engineer >>> Space Science & Engineering Center >>> University of Wisconsin-Madison >>> [email protected] >>> 608-265-9908 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > > > > -- > Pointlessly blogging at www.robindavies.us > Try something new every day. > -- Pointlessly blogging at www.robindavies.us Try something new every day. _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
