After reading all the comments here and on madison.com, I finally decided
to take a look at the plan itself.  I didn't read it through in much
detail, but I did try a search for the term, "bicycle" and came up with
many hits.  As far as I could tell, all the bicycle references favored
improved bike access to the area, and at least one of them called for
improved bike access to N. Sherman Avenue.

So, as I read the document, it is in favor of improved bike access to that
street, but neutral on the means used to improve that access.  I don't
think there's anything in the plan that *opposes* TWLTL.

I think you can argue that a plan that supports bike access on N. Sherman
is *implicitly* in favor of TWLTL -- unless there's an alternative design
that won't upset anyone (good luck on that).

So, I don't think we should treat the neighborhood plan as an anti-TWLTL
document.  If we treat it as a victory for north side bicycling, it might
actually turn out to be one.

Robbie Webber wrote:
> My understanding is that these are the main opponents:
>
> 1. The merchants on Sherman - especially the ones in the strip mall
> where Vic Pierce is located who fear that one less lane in each
> direction will hurt their business because (a) people will find
> another route because Sherman will be congested and (b) people won't
> understand how to turn left to get to their business.
>
> 2. Older people (50+) in the area, who are unfamiliar with those weird
> new ideas - like pedestrian and bicycle safety and traffic
> engineering.
>
> 3. Dorothy Borchardt supporters (she was the former alder for the
> area) and other conservatives that think any accommodations for
> bicyclists benefits those pesky liberals.
>
> 4. General naysayers who don't believe that one through lane in each
> dierection + a TWTL + bike lanes can handles the same volume of
> traffic as four through lanes.
>
> Since this is a neighborhood plan, the suburbanites weren't generally
> part of the writing of the plan, although they may have influenced the
> thinking of the people that did show up to write and testify about the
> plan.
>
> Robbie Webber
> Bike Walk Madison Steering Committee
>   www.bikewalkmadison.org
> Join our group on Facebook!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM, rick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Another thought - and forgive me if it's already been addressed - but
>> perhaps the northside alders should be pressed a little as to WHO is so
>> vociferous in their disdain for bike lanes on Sherman. My hunch - based
>> on
>> 25 years of listening to Norhtside transportation discussion, is that
>> MOST
>> of the noise is likely to be coming from those who live outside of
>> Madison
>> and use Sherman Ave. as commuter thoroughfare. Food for thought .....
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> Michael Rewey wrote:
>>
>> Here are some interesting counts I did.
>> Two weekday September bicycle counts:
>> N. Sherman at Fordem
>> Afternoon - only 4 hours:    71 bicycles
>> N. Sherman at Aberg
>> Morning - only 4 hours:       64 bicycles
>> So there are already almost 140 bikes in 8 hours on a street corridor
>> with
>> no bike accommodation.  Even WisDOT in their design guidelines states
>> that
>> if a street or road has or can reasonably expect 25 bikes per day, bike
>> accommodations should be provided.
>> This information was provided to the Plan Commission.
>> Mike Rewey
>>
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bikies mailing list
>> [email protected]
>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bikies mailing list
>> [email protected]
>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Bikies mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
>
>

_______________________________________________
Bikies mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org

Reply via email to