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Verona Road interchange? Please take larger issues to a political blog. We just like to talk about our fun little bikies here. ------------ Patrick Lenon Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:11:22 -0600 From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) Dear Mitchell and Genie Ogden, Certainly lawyer Feingold could talk rings around farmboy Johnson. And those debates were great for the "I gotchas." Yet, even with the eighteen years of detail and answers at Feingold's disposal, Johnson's supporters determined he won the debates and became more convinced he was their man. Personally, I feel a politician should write detailed and scholarly "position papers" and not go through sophomoric "debates." Then they would not be taken out of context as you seem to be doing. As for the $millions--largest in Wisconsin's history, didn't I read each spent about the same amount? And, as for debates-------was it Pelosi who REFUSED ALL DEBATES WITH HER OPPONENT? My view is that Johnson should have done that also. She could have been his precedent.----ew Mitchell Nussbaum wrote: Please post the link to his press conferences. He only agreed to 3 debates, Sen. Feingold offered 6. Johnson lost all 3, but channel 27 didn't show the 2nd one because they preferred showing Dancing With The Stars with Bristol Palin instead. How is anyone swiftboating Johnson? He won, by lying and by using $millions to spread the lies. - Genie Ogden --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) To: "Mitchell Nussbaum" <[email protected]>, "BikiesSubmissions" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 5:45 PM Dear Mitchell, If Ron Johnson appears to you as avoiding the "press" and people like you who mis-characterize his every utterances, he is a smart man. You will hear plenty once he starts rolling. All the "swift-boating" you and other Feingold supporters could launch didn't stop the Tea Party steam boat for Ron Johnson and others like him. Mitchell Nussbaum wrote: Ron Johnson was elected by lying his way into office by falsely accusing Sen. Feingold of voting for government run healthcare, when there is no such thing. He never said anything about what he was going to do, just that he believed sunspots caused global warming, and that he was a follower of right-wing Ayn Rand and the racist book "The Bell Curve." He was also known to have spoken at a hearing to protect the Catholic church from being sued for child molesting. He said he would say more after he was elected (after avoiding the press and having as few debates as possible). But after the election he is still avoiding the press. --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) To: "Schimpff, Jeff A - DNR" <[email protected]>, "BikiesSubmissions" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:57 PM Dear Jeff and Group, The Tea Party movement is barely a year old and formed to address gross negligent spending by government in all sectors and directions. And certainly every group wishes to either speak for the Tea Party, co-opt, or change their focus. Few people and few organized groups show consistency in purpose and direction. And few analyze situations with organized and rational thought and purpose. If only the Tea Party knew that an extra lane of paving was to cost $3 billions of dollars and that a Verona corridor a half billion dollars, you would have a protest. Economics is the "science" of the production and distribution of scarce goods. We have elected a Tea Party man to represent Wisconsin in the Senate and his training is in business and numbers. He is Ron Johnson as you all know by now. Jeff, you might be surprised what Tea Partyers might be evaluating, protesting, and axing in the future. Eric Schimpff, Jeff A - DNR wrote: Funny, I haven't heard any Tea Party (or any other source, really) opposition to spending an additional $3 billion for adding an extra lane in each direction to I-94 from Milwaukee to Illinois, and to I-39/90 from Madison to Illinois. Most of the 80% federal share seems unlikely to be coming from a solvent Federal Highway Trust Fund, funded by the federal fuel tax/user fee. Nor is much of anyone opposing the addition hundreds of billions that will be needed to maintain some semblance of control over the sources of all that extra oil that will be required for all that extra driving (as electric vehicles are unlikely to be very prevalent for at least another decade or two). For a few tens of thousands of dollars the Mayor of Milton could bike the 11 miles from his home to work, 8 months of the year, and car-pool the rest of the time. Tea Partyers don't seem much interested in energy conservation or energy-efficient non-motorized or public transit travel. Jeff Schimpff Madison, WI "Bus, Bike, Carpool to Work for Clean Air for Kids" "Pedestrians and cyclists are the indicator species of a healthier community" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Westhagen Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:11 PM To: George Perkins; BikiesSubmissions Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) Dear George and Group, If your figure is correct on the cost of an Interstate UPGRADE-------at ONE HALF BILLION DOLLARS?---I would have just one comment------(even shorter than yours)--------ARE THEY ALL NUTS??? (There is a reason for a TEA PARTY.) Eric ________________________ George Perkins wrote: Introduction "Comments on the SDEIS are encouraged from all members of the public and are due by Friday, December 17, 2010." http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/d1/verona/index.htm These are comments on the supplemental and draft environmental impact statement (SDEIS/DEIS) reports for the Dane County US 18/151 (Verona Road) corridor. I've edited mine down to ten bite size quick reads being posted this week... The proposed Verona Road upgrade price tag is too high ($502 million), and it is shrugged off as a "normal" cost of transportation. The design is business-as-usual, giving priority to vehicle speed and traffic volume, at considerable cost and with negative consequences for the environment and the social fabric of our neighborhoods. There is a philosophical disconnect (between "life" and "engineering") in the SDEIS/DEIS assumptions so it is difficult to comment the SDEIS/DEIS since the points would be moot if natural life were the priority (instead of the "conventional" preferences for steel, concrete, and fossil fuel consumption). However, I have taken the time to point out errors in specificity and detail that are present in the SDEIS/DEIS. Comment #2 posted here is a more philosophical commentary. Comments #3-10 are specific to errors in the SDEIS/DEIS. Thank you for reading and giving me the opportunity to provide input and feedback. By George J. 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