Yeah, a little off-topic. But there is a relevant question: whether the newly elected politicians who embraced 'fiscal responsibility' will address seriously address the cost of this project.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Patrick Lenon <[email protected]> wrote: > Guys. > > Bikes? > > Verona Road interchange? > > Please take larger issues to a political blog. We just like to talk about > our fun little bikies here. > > ------------ Patrick Lenon > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:11:22 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) > > Dear Mitchell and Genie Ogden, > > Certainly lawyer Feingold could talk rings around farmboy Johnson. And > those debates were great for the "I gotchas." Yet, even with the eighteen > years of detail and answers at Feingold's disposal, Johnson's supporters > determined he won the debates and became more convinced he was their man. > Personally, I feel a politician should write detailed and scholarly > "position papers" and not go through sophomoric "debates." Then they would > not be taken out of context as you seem to be doing. As for the > $millions--largest in Wisconsin's history, didn't I read each spent about > the same amount? And, as for debates-------was it Pelosi who REFUSED ALL > DEBATES WITH HER OPPONENT? My view is that Johnson should have done that > also. She could have been his precedent.----ew > > Mitchell Nussbaum wrote: > > Please post the link to his press conferences. > He only agreed to 3 debates, Sen. Feingold offered 6. Johnson lost all 3, > but channel 27 didn't show the 2nd one because they preferred showing > Dancing With The Stars with Bristol Palin instead. > How is anyone swiftboating Johnson? He won, by lying and by using $millions > to spread the lies. > - Genie Ogden > > --- On *Mon, 12/6/10, Eric Westhagen > <[email protected]><[email protected]> > * wrote: > > > From: Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) > To: "Mitchell Nussbaum" > <[email protected]><[email protected]>, > "BikiesSubmissions" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 5:45 PM > > Dear Mitchell, > > If Ron Johnson appears to you as avoiding the "press" and people like you > who mis-characterize his every utterances, he is a smart man. You will hear > plenty once he starts rolling. All the "swift-boating" you and other > Feingold supporters could launch didn't stop the Tea Party steam boat for > Ron Johnson and others like him. > > Mitchell Nussbaum wrote: > > Ron Johnson was elected by lying his way into office by falsely accusing > Sen. Feingold of voting for government run healthcare, when there is no such > thing. He never said anything about what he was going to do, just that he > believed sunspots caused global warming, and that he was a follower of > right-wing Ayn Rand and the racist book "The Bell Curve." He was also known > to have spoken at a hearing to protect the Catholic church from being sued > for child molesting. He said he would say more after he was elected (after > avoiding the press and having as few debates as possible). But after the > election he is still avoiding the press. > > --- On *Mon, 12/6/10, Eric Westhagen > <[email protected]><http:///mc/[email protected]> > * wrote: > > > From: Eric Westhagen > <[email protected]><http:///mc/[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) > To: "Schimpff, Jeff A - DNR" > <[email protected]><http:///mc/[email protected]>, > "BikiesSubmissions" > <[email protected]><http:///mc/[email protected]> > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:57 PM > > Dear Jeff and Group, > > The Tea Party movement is barely a year old and formed to address gross > negligent spending by government in all sectors and directions. And > certainly every group wishes to either speak for the Tea Party, co-opt, or > change their focus. Few people and few organized groups show consistency in > purpose and direction. And few analyze situations with organized and > rational thought and purpose. If only the Tea Party knew that an extra lane > of paving was to cost $3 billions of dollars and that a Verona corridor a > half billion dollars, you would have a protest. Economics is the "science" > of the production and distribution of scarce goods. We have elected a Tea > Party man to represent Wisconsin in the Senate and his training is in > business and numbers. He is Ron Johnson as you all know by now. Jeff, you > might be surprised what Tea Partyers might be evaluating, protesting, and > axing in the future. > > Eric > > Schimpff, Jeff A - DNR wrote: > > Funny, I haven't heard any Tea Party (or any other source, really) opposition > to spending an additional $3 billion for adding an extra lane in each > direction to I-94 from Milwaukee to Illinois, and to I-39/90 from Madison to > Illinois. Most of the 80% federal share seems unlikely to be coming from a > solvent Federal Highway Trust Fund, funded by the federal fuel tax/user fee. > > Nor is much of anyone opposing the addition hundreds of billions that will be > needed to maintain some semblance of control over the sources of all that > extra oil that will be required for all that extra driving (as electric > vehicles are unlikely to be very prevalent for at least another decade or > two). > > For a few tens of thousands of dollars the Mayor of Milton could bike the 11 > miles from his home to work, 8 months of the year, and car-pool the rest of > the time. Tea Partyers don't seem much interested in energy conservation or > energy-efficient non-motorized or public transit travel. > > > Jeff Schimpff > Madison, WI > "Bus, Bike, Carpool to Work for Clean Air for Kids" > > "Pedestrians and cyclists are the indicator species of a healthier community" > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Westhagen > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:11 PM > To: George Perkins; BikiesSubmissions > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road SDEIS/DEIS Bite-Size Comment #1 (of 10) > > Dear George and Group, > > If your figure is correct on the cost of an Interstate UPGRADE-------at ONE > HALF BILLION DOLLARS?---I would have just one comment------(even shorter than > yours)--------ARE THEY ALL NUTS??? (There is a reason for a TEA PARTY.) > > Eric > ________________________ > > > George Perkins wrote: > > Introduction > > "Comments on the SDEIS are encouraged from all members of the public > and are due by Friday, December 17, 2010." > http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/d1/verona/index.htm > > These are comments on the supplemental and draft environmental impact > statement (SDEIS/DEIS) reports for the Dane County US 18/151 (Verona > Road) corridor. I've edited mine down to ten bite size quick reads > being posted this week... > > The proposed Verona Road upgrade price tag is too high ($502 million), > and it is shrugged off as a " > <http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/d1/verona/index.htmThesearecommentsonthesupplementalanddraftenvironmentalimpactstatement%28SDEIS/DEIS%29reportsfortheDaneCountyUS18/151%28VeronaRoad%29corridor.I%27veeditedminedowntotenbitesizequickreadsbeingpostedthisweek...TheproposedVeronaRoadupgradepricetagistoohigh%28$502million%29,anditisshruggedoffasa>normal" > cost of transportation. The > design is business-as-usual, giving priority to vehicle speed and > traffic volume, at considerable cost and with negative consequences > for the environment and the social fabric of our neighborhoods. > > There is a philosophical disconnect (between "life" and "engineering") > in the SDEIS/DEIS assumptions so it is difficult to comment the > SDEIS/DEIS since the points would be moot if natural life were the > priority (instead of the "conventional" preferences for steel, > concrete, and fossil fuel consumption). However, I have taken the time > to point out errors in specificity and detail that are present in the > SDEIS/DEIS. > > Comment #2 posted here is a more philosophical commentary. Comments > #3-10 are specific to errors in the SDEIS/DEIS. > > Thank you for reading and giving me the opportunity to provide input > and feedback. > > By George J. Perkins > Madison, WI > December 5, 2010. > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] <http:///mc/[email protected]> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > -- .......... -darin
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