Are minor repairs, such as pot hole filling and the patch on the Capitol City Trail, included in the capital budget or the operating budget?  I assume major projects, like the Packers/Northport reconstruction are capital.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:39:17 -0500, Robbie Webber wrote:

Engineering - Major Streets is the name of the category to distinguish it from:
 
Engineering - Other (whatever the Engineering Dept has to buy or build that isn't a street or bike/ped facility)
 
Streets - The department that brings you snow plows, garbage/recycling trucks, street sweepers, etc.
 
Major Streets covers everything from huge intersedction and road rebuilding - like the $20 million Junction Rd (Hwy M) & Mineral Point Rd (Hwy S) intersection (aka the S & M intersection) - to filling potholes. "Major" is really the size of the pots of money, not the size of the streets. And Streets" just means it's not something else in Engineering.
 

Robbie Webber





On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Monica H <[email protected]> wrote:
Okay, so my ignorance is showing--what does "Major Streets" mean? Just the really high-volume streets? or does it mean "major" street projects regardless of street size? If it's the former, I'd like to see a budget-cut comparison between _all_ streets and bike/ped. projects. 


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Interesting numbers . . . I'm always interested in that 25% number and how much of it is repairs and how much is new.
Also, how much of this is driven by the federal funding? 
And yes, some staff are more aggressive than others in their requests.  Not sure that is (or is not) a factor here, but it is a factor city wide.




On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Matt Logan <[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, the C3k numbers do reflect the agency requests, although it is interesting that the difference between requests for Bike/Ped and Major streets is 36% cut versus 17% cut.  Are the bike/ped planners more wild and crazy than the major streets planners?  Another interesting number is to compare what the 2011 budget outlined for 2012 spending versus what the Mayor has proposed for 2012.  In that case, Bike/Ped got cut 65% versus a cut of 14% for Major Streets.  It seems that for some reason, the bike and ped future budget numbers are more fantastic than the major streets numbers – or is the city government just less responsive to the deficit between projects on the docket for ped and bike than for those in Major streets?

 

To answer that question, I looked at the trend from 2006 and found the following:

 

Comparing the Mayor’s Budget this year to 2006, bike/ped spending is up  7.5%, and Major Streets is up 25.1%.  If I take the data since 2006 and fit a line, that works out to bike/ped spending having an annual increase of about 1.1%, and Major streets getting a 7.5% annual increase.  Now the older budgets don’t break out ped/and bike spending directly, so the bike ped trend needs some revision, but given the data so far, there quite clearly seems to be greater willingness to up the spending on Major Streets than for Ped/Bike projects.  For that reason, I am inclined to call the higher “fantasy” factor for ped/bike the result of a relatively unresponsive city government.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Bikies] wait?! Increase in bike funding in cap budget?

 

Duh!  Right!  I'm guessing you are totally correct.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Robbie Webber <[email protected]> wrote:

After reading both articles on line, I'm going to take a guess. No guarantee this is correct.

 

The Channel 3000 report says, 

Departments requested more than $231 million compared to the $196.5 million the mayor will propose.
Major streets will see the biggest hit -- almost $15 million less than what was requested.
Bike and pedestrian projects will also be cut back, at nearly $6 million.

I'm going to guess that what they mean by that is that the Mayor's budget contains $6 million less for bicycle and pedestrian projects and programs than what was proposed by the departments.

 

Now, we both know that many departments over-ask, and none gets what they really want, even in good years. The amount that departments ask for is a nonsense number to use in a report like this, but it wouldn't be the first time a media report was misleading.

 

The Madison.com article reports the levels that were in the Mayor's budget compared to the approved 2011 budget, a much more meaningful comparison. 

 

Does that make sense?


Robbie Webber




On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Brenda Konkel <[email protected]> wrote:

can anyone explain the difference between the channel three report of a $6M cut and this article?  This one says there is an increase from $4.1M to 4.4M.  Sorry, don't have to time chase all the details, thought someone on this list might explain.

http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_19d8fc59-cae9-5b35-b0b1-b6971ee880a6.html

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