Folks: Let's not blithely believe that 'light equals safety'. While I'm not an expert, I believe multiple studies have shown that increased light is not a significant factor in crime-related safety, that community attitudes as seen in neighbor-to-neighbor relations and the like are the most significant factor. Dave
________________________________ From: William Hauda <[email protected]> To: tim wong <[email protected]>; George Perkins <[email protected]> Cc: Bikies <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, September 30, 2012 5:14:21 PM Subject: Re: [Bikies] Fwd: SW Commuter Bike Path Lighting and WisDOT Wisconsin Bicycle Facility Design Manual--Double Standard Tim's right. When you live in a city, light provides safety. Not just for bicycling, but for general well-being. At 03:53 PM 9/30/2012, tim wong wrote: >Are these anti-lights on the bike path people also proposing getting >rid of all lights on streets? My bedroom faces the street and a >streetlight shines in the window. So I put blinds up to keep the >light out when I'm sleeping. Why can't these people do the same? I >also noticed when I rode through there yesterday that the person with >the large NO LIGHTS sign's house is nowhere near the bike path (my >bedroom is at least five times closer to the light than these people's >would be). Why the double standard? Why this blatant disregard for >safety? Why does anyone listen to them? The argument should be about >the most appropriate type of lighting, not whether there should or >should not be lights. > >On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM, George Perkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > Still, even if bollards will not provide enough light (this is debatable) > > due to lack of ambient and other sources of light, then the current design > > continues to be defective and does not meet the DOT guidelines. The DOT > > guidelines recommend continuous lighting without gaps of darkness between > > light poles. The design proposed by the city spaces the light poles too far > > apart and the result will be alternating patterns of high light intensity > > with very little or no illumination. The poles need to be closer together. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:43 PM, George Perkins <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >>>> why the city hasn't considered a design that follows the DOT guidelines > > for lighting a bike and pedestrian path<<< > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > >-- >"If we continue to consume the world until there's no more to consume, >then there's going to come a day, sure as hell, when our children or >their children or their children's children are going to look back on >us--on you and me--and say to themselves, 'My God, what kind of >monsters were these people?'" > >--Daniel Quinn >_______________________________________________ >Bikies mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
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