All;
"On your left" is NOT commonly used by pedestrians, many of whom are NOT active
cyclists. Therefore, it is self-serving to think that everyone cycles and is
therefore conversant with our terminology. "Good morning," on the other hand,
is
used by far more people in the course of daily interaction and is an
attention-getter especially if it comes from behind. Secondly, outdoor
acoustics
can be tricky. Even though you heard what you think you said, it probably isn't
what's heard by someone else. (I deal with a faulty PA system at work and I
know
the system leaves out consonants and vowels that our internal bones transmits
and does not transmit through the air or heard above the din.) "On your" may
not
be heard at all but "Left" is and someone not familiar with the term, may think
it is a request to move left, not move right. And if the cyclist has any
consideration to pedestrians, they should approach slow enough and with
anticipation for erratic reaction if it should occur. We can not assume that
all
drivers, cyclists, and pedestrians are actually paying attention to what
they're
doing much less paying attention to what's around them. Passing anything
should always be considered a potential risk for collision or fall (even small
furry animals, which will be a discussion some other time).
Respectfully, submitted; DJ
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From: Patrick Lenon <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, November 27, 2012 9:56:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Courtesy or Nuisance?
That sounds nice, but when you're coming up from behind someone it's good to
let
them know WHICH side you'll be passing on. Not that everyone processes "On
your
left" uniformly, but it does give the pedestrian more info.
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Patrick Lenon
________________________________
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:00:53 -0800
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Courtesy or Nuisance?
same as Tom here..."Good Morning" is the same syllable count as "on your left"
and much more pleasant...why not be? Its not like we're racing in the tour.
Troy Thiel
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From: Tom Held <[email protected]>
To: Mark Shahan <[email protected]>
Cc: bikies <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Courtesy or Nuisance?
Great discussion and I thought Robbie had an excellent approach. I would add
this: I try to greet people first - good morning, good afternoon, Hi, how are
you - to let them know I'm behind them. Then announce my intention to pass. It
gives people time to react.
Tom
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Mark Shahan <[email protected]> wrote:
Bob,
>
>The problem is most people don't know that when they walk against traffic on
>the
>left, they are suppose to move off the path when on-coming traffic approaches.
>
>The result is I have had some close calls when people, especially dog walkers,
>won't move to the side of the path. This most often happens on my way to work
>when I turn left from the ramp onto the Pheasant Branch Creek path to go under
>Parmenter St. in Middleton. As I turn onto the path under Parmenter St.,
>sight
>distances are limited and reaction time is further limited by the fact that
>people are moving toward you instead of away from you. Despite having to slow
>way down due to a sharp turn onto the path, I have nearly hit a couple of dog
>walkers who would not step off of the path.
>
>At night on the SW Path, it can be difficult to tell if someone is coming
>towards you or moving away from you. The result is again decreased reaction
>time once you determine they are moving towards you.
>
>And as John Rider has said on this list, what do you do when 2 bicyclists
>moving
>in opposite directions each meet a pedestrian walking against traffic? This
>situations happens on the SW Path resulting in a traffic jam as everybody
>comes
>to a complete stop.
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:23 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
> I apply the same rule as I use on any other
>>multi-
>>user intermodal paved transportation facility (i.e., STREET, ROAD, HIGHWAY)
>>that
>>lacks separate sidewalks. I walk on the left, facing the direction of
>>traffic
>>for safety. I know we go over this from time to time, and someone
>>inevitably
>>trots out the party line doctrine that you follow OPPOSITE pedestrian rules
>>when
>>the wheeled shared user is a bicycle rather than a motor vehicle. I'm not
>>convinced by the nonsensical party line doctrine anyway, but the real test
>>(and,
>>indeed, the only one that matters) is that I feel much safer on foot if I
>>can
>>see what's approaching and can move to the side as needed. And when a
>>bicyclist, I can also proceed with more certainty knowing that the other
>>person
>>sees me as well and can adjust my speed and shift my position as needed
>>just as
>>when I am approaching from behind a pedestrian.
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