You make a good point, Patrick. I found it works best if I slow down and give the pedestrian a moment to process what's happening. It's a short conversation: "Hi. Good morning. I'm going to come by on your left."
It doesn't always work out in a pleasant fashion, and sometimes I'm impatient, but I try to reduce the startle effect and conflict when I can. Tom On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Patrick Lenon <[email protected]> wrote: > That sounds nice, but when you're coming up from behind someone it's good to > let them know WHICH side you'll be passing on. Not that everyone processes > "On your left" uniformly, but it does give the pedestrian more info. > > ------------- > Patrick Lenon > > > ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:00:53 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Courtesy or Nuisance? > > same as Tom here..."Good Morning" is the same syllable count as "on your > left" and much more pleasant...why not be? Its not like we're racing in the > tour. > > > Troy Thiel > > ________________________________ > From: Tom Held <[email protected]> > To: Mark Shahan <[email protected]> > Cc: bikies <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Courtesy or Nuisance? > > Great discussion and I thought Robbie had an excellent approach. I would > add this: I try to greet people first - good morning, good afternoon, Hi, > how are you - to let them know I'm behind them. Then announce my intention > to pass. It gives people time to react. > > Tom > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Mark Shahan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bob, > > The problem is most people don't know that when they walk against traffic on > the left, they are suppose to move off the path when on-coming traffic > approaches. The result is I have had some close calls when people, > especially dog walkers, won't move to the side of the path. This most often > happens on my way to work when I turn left from the ramp onto the Pheasant > Branch Creek path to go under Parmenter St. in Middleton. As I turn onto > the path under Parmenter St., sight distances are limited and reaction time > is further limited by the fact that people are moving toward you instead of > away from you. Despite having to slow way down due to a sharp turn onto the > path, I have nearly hit a couple of dog walkers who would not step off of > the path. > > At night on the SW Path, it can be difficult to tell if someone is coming > towards you or moving away from you. The result is again decreased reaction > time once you determine they are moving towards you. > > And as John Rider has said on this list, what do you do when 2 bicyclists > moving in opposite directions each meet a pedestrian walking against > traffic? This situations happens on the SW Path resulting in a traffic jam > as everybody comes to a complete stop. > > Mark > > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:23 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I apply the same rule as I use on any other > multi- > user intermodal paved transportation facility (i.e., STREET, ROAD, HIGHWAY) > that > lacks separate sidewalks. I walk on the left, facing the direction of > traffic > for safety. I know we go over this from time to time, and someone > inevitably > trots out the party line doctrine that you follow OPPOSITE pedestrian rules > when > the wheeled shared user is a bicycle rather than a motor vehicle. I'm not > convinced by the nonsensical party line doctrine anyway, but the real test > (and, > indeed, the only one that matters) is that I feel much safer on foot if I > can > see what's approaching and can move to the side as needed. And when a > bicyclist, I can also proceed with more certainty knowing that the other > person > sees me as well and can adjust my speed and shift my position as needed > just as > when I am approaching from behind a pedestrian. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > -- > Mark N. Shahan ------ __o > 607 Piper Drive ------- _`\<,_ > Madison, WI 53711-1338 ---- (*)/ (*) > (608) 274-9367 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
