Copies of police reports can be requested by the public. Information on how to do that can be found here<http://www.cityofmadison.com/police/support/records/>. Records don't become fully public right away and while I do not recall the typical length of the waiting period, that information is also available by contact the records department via the page linked above.
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > I'm not speculating or assuming, just pointing out a use of language that > seems contradictory or misleading. I'm not even sure those were Joel's > words, but it's how it was reported (and how the audience is reading it). > Describing vehicle 'A' as colliding with vehicle 'B' paints a picture for > me that is very different than a description of vehicle 'B' colliding with > vehicle 'A'. Language is important, especially in a bike/car incident where > many have preconceived ideas of the mv automatically being at fault because > it's a mv and others thinking it's the cyclist's fault for riding on a busy > road. My critique was of the incident's description, not of the MV driver's > action or inaction. > > If a car blows a red light and t-bones another car, I would say the first > car collided with the second. If a car blows a red light and is t boned by > another car, I would say the second car collided with the first. That > doesn't necessarily change who's at fault or who sustained the greater > injury, but it's a significant difference. > > (I also found it odd that the MV was described in detail -small SUV-, but > there was no mention of whether the cyclist was riding a road bike or MTB. > Is this because the audience is more interested in the details of the MV or > can just better relate to a MV description? Does a small SUV sound less > dangerous than an SUV? I'm not accusing Joel or the reporter of trying to > manipulate the audience or defend the MV operator, but I think these are > interesting questions and may shed some light on the power dynamic we > experience on the street and/or public opinion/sentiment as it relates to > MV/bicycle incidents.) > > Regardless, it's another cyclist who died on our streets and it's a shame; > this happens too frequently. > > Grant > On Jul 24, 2013 7:31 PM, "William Hauda" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> ** **Hesitate on these things. Don't automatically assume. Maybe >> the responding officers have not yet had time to file their written >> reports. Maybe Joel is trying with limited info to respond to a public >> concern. Speculation at this point doesn't serve anyone. Facts will >> eventually come out. Then we can decide. >> >> At 05:21 PM 7/24/2013, Grant Foster wrote: >> >> I find the language attributed to Joel DeSpain interesting: "the >> bicyclist collided with a small SUV" even though "she did not see the >> bicyclist until he was right in front of her". There isn't much detail to >> go on, but it seems significant that the bicyclist is attributed with the >> collision even though it sounds like he was struck by the MV. This doesn't >> mean the MV driver is at fault, but it's an odd nuance that seems to cast >> the responsibility on the cyclist. It's also notable that the 'bicyclist' >> (person) collided with the SUV (object), further removing the MV driver >> from the equation. >> >> It's another terrible loss. >> >> Grant >> On Jul 24, 2013 12:37 PM, "Mary Ebeling" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-suv-on-east-side-police/article_de7415b3-d2d7-589b-a807-a0afcd4062c3.html >> >> This just happened this morning. From reading the report and trying to >> parse out what might have happened, it seems that someone may have run a >> light or there could have been some sidewalk riding. It is hard to tell >> what happened from the limited information in the article. It would be good >> to see a crash report. >> >> Either way, this really sucks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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