Police are looking for witnesses. For those who did not see the article: http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/police-seeking-witnesses-to-fatal-east-side-bike-crash/article_de7415b3-d2d7-589b-a807-a0afcd4062c3.html
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Martin Lund <[email protected]>wrote: > Copies of police reports can be requested by the public. Information on > how to do that can be found > here<http://www.cityofmadison.com/police/support/records/>. > Records don't become fully public right away and while I do not recall the > typical length of the waiting period, that information is also available by > contact the records department via the page linked above. > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> I'm not speculating or assuming, just pointing out a use of language that >> seems contradictory or misleading. I'm not even sure those were Joel's >> words, but it's how it was reported (and how the audience is reading it). >> Describing vehicle 'A' as colliding with vehicle 'B' paints a picture for >> me that is very different than a description of vehicle 'B' colliding with >> vehicle 'A'. Language is important, especially in a bike/car incident where >> many have preconceived ideas of the mv automatically being at fault because >> it's a mv and others thinking it's the cyclist's fault for riding on a busy >> road. My critique was of the incident's description, not of the MV driver's >> action or inaction. >> >> If a car blows a red light and t-bones another car, I would say the first >> car collided with the second. If a car blows a red light and is t boned by >> another car, I would say the second car collided with the first. That >> doesn't necessarily change who's at fault or who sustained the greater >> injury, but it's a significant difference. >> >> (I also found it odd that the MV was described in detail -small SUV-, but >> there was no mention of whether the cyclist was riding a road bike or MTB. >> Is this because the audience is more interested in the details of the MV or >> can just better relate to a MV description? Does a small SUV sound less >> dangerous than an SUV? I'm not accusing Joel or the reporter of trying to >> manipulate the audience or defend the MV operator, but I think these are >> interesting questions and may shed some light on the power dynamic we >> experience on the street and/or public opinion/sentiment as it relates to >> MV/bicycle incidents.) >> >> Regardless, it's another cyclist who died on our streets and it's a >> shame; this happens too frequently. >> >> Grant >> On Jul 24, 2013 7:31 PM, "William Hauda" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> ** **Hesitate on these things. Don't automatically assume. Maybe >>> the responding officers have not yet had time to file their written >>> reports. Maybe Joel is trying with limited info to respond to a public >>> concern. Speculation at this point doesn't serve anyone. Facts will >>> eventually come out. Then we can decide. >>> >>> At 05:21 PM 7/24/2013, Grant Foster wrote: >>> >>> I find the language attributed to Joel DeSpain interesting: "the >>> bicyclist collided with a small SUV" even though "she did not see the >>> bicyclist until he was right in front of her". There isn't much detail to >>> go on, but it seems significant that the bicyclist is attributed with the >>> collision even though it sounds like he was struck by the MV. This doesn't >>> mean the MV driver is at fault, but it's an odd nuance that seems to cast >>> the responsibility on the cyclist. It's also notable that the 'bicyclist' >>> (person) collided with the SUV (object), further removing the MV driver >>> from the equation. >>> >>> It's another terrible loss. >>> >>> Grant >>> On Jul 24, 2013 12:37 PM, "Mary Ebeling" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-suv-on-east-side-police/article_de7415b3-d2d7-589b-a807-a0afcd4062c3.html >>> >>> This just happened this morning. From reading the report and trying to >>> parse out what might have happened, it seems that someone may have run a >>> light or there could have been some sidewalk riding. It is hard to tell >>> what happened from the limited information in the article. It would be good >>> to see a crash report. >>> >>> Either way, this really sucks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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