OK, I read this website wrong: http://www.eco-public.com/ParcPublic/?id=4336 And the average I saw was the daily average for all three locations counted on that website. The daily average for the SW Path location alone is just over 1000 bicycles per day.
But city staff just pointed out to me that the bike barometer isn’t counting pedestrians at all. So the number of people (rather than the number of vehicles, which is actually what we should be counting on all our transportation facilities) is actually much higher. City staff also pointed out that, normally, to warrant a signal you need a certain level of traffic on both the “main” street and the cross street, which is probably what Tim meant. I guess the response to that is that, unfortunately, we live in a culture where the “very low” auto traffic on the cross streets at the intersection of the SW Path with Charter and Spring is often going to assume that they have the right of way (because they’re in cars) unless they see a red light. chuck From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of STRAWSER, Charles Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:05 AM To: tim wong; Robbie Webber Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bikies] SW Path Detour between Mills and Randall Robbie – technically, Charter Street is two-way there (for bikes) because of the contraflow southbound bike lane. It’s only one-way for Motor Vehicles. Tim - the traffic volumes on the PATH are not extremely low – they are actually quite high, especially for a transportation facility that restricts Motor Vehicles (and so long as we’re counting people). http://www.eco-public.com/ParcPublic/?id=4336 the daily average for the SW Path just east of Randall is currently over 3,500 users per day. That’s well into the range of a collector street (I think any street with a 1000 VPD is considered a collector). chuck From: tim wong [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:05 PM To: Robbie Webber Cc: STRAWSER, Charles; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] SW Path Detour between Mills and Randall How could these extremely low traffic volumes justify a stop light there? I thought the city had criteria on these (triggers), and these traffic counts can't be even 10% of those triggers. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Robbie Webber <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I think I heard during a presentation at a campus meeting that there will be a traffic light at the SW Path/Spring/Charter intersection. The light will default to green for the path, so any traffic on Charter or Spring will have to wait to get a green. Charter is one-way northbound there, and there really isn't much (motor vehicle) traffic until you get to the 2-way part at Johnson St. Spring is similarly pretty quiet unless there is a football game or other Camp Randall event, so the path carries more traffic then either cross street. I'm pretty sure that's what I heard, but I'm sure Chuck or someone else will let me know if I got it mixed up. Should be interesting when it's done. Robbie Webber Transportation Policy Analyst 608-263-9984 (o) 608-225-0002 (c) [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:40 PM, tim wong <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It is really crucial that Spring St. not have the right of way where the bike path crosses it (especially going westbound). The angle is about 315º, thus essentially requiring a stop rather than a yield. At the same time I think it would be a good idea to at least at one intersection (Orchard, I think) to post a ONE WAY sign, so we know which way to look for cars. I've suggested it before to no avail. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:06 AM, STRAWSER, Charles <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Construction at the SW Path intersection with Spring St will require detouring from the SW Path along Dayton St between Mills and Randall. See this from the city: https://www.cityofmadison.com/news/southwest-commuter-path-detour the good news is that this construction will result in the SW Path having priority over the cross streets at its intersection with Spring and Charter Streets, or at least that’s my understanding of it. I haven’t seen plans. Chuck Strawser Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner Commuter Solutions UW-Madison Transportation Services Visit our University Bicycle Resource Center at Helen C White: http://transportation.wisc.edu/transportation/bike_annex.aspx How are we doing? 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