Generally agreed w/ all this. To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails > ... > > ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your > favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly > canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute. > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary > releases > > > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz > > As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox" > archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not > try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial, > it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text, > code, binary inline... that's dangerous. > > Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not. > Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything > efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale > addresses. Obfuscation is futile. > > This misfeature needs to be disabled. > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <[email protected]> > wrote: > > archives will be exported > > and imported into the new list server > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <[email protected]> wrote: > > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and > > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can > > provide a mirror for the mail list archives. > > Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and > interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful > authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt. > And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to > downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror > project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical > sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone. > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote: > > ... > > As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful... > > a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example... > > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz > b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary > for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context > preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment: > (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References) > c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto, > data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives > of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links" > which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox" > version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive > users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to > postprocess them into usable form. > Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone: > 418 attachment.html > 106 attachment.sig > 6 attachment.jpe > 4 attachment.png > 2 attachment.bin > d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From ' > in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such > case is here: > > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html > > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz > > > > Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw > archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet > thanks you :) > > Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here: > http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/ > https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ > https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix > > Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by > the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >
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