Right and everybody knows that Tether is the most clever sidechain ever invented far more sophisticated than lightning, which makes me think that a punishment should be added in the proposal for the cheater advertising a price < 50 k (or 100) and/or selling before 1-3 years (tbd) so all his coins go to the Bitcoin Mediator, a new notion here to sustain the community (I modestly apply for the position)

Le 01/04/2019 à 13:50, Dana L. Coe via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
I suggest in the spirit of the times that we not use USD as the reference, but USDT.

Everyone knows Tethers are much more flexible in tracking the true value of the US dollar.

Dana

On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Melvin Carvalho via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:



On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 02:32, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:

    Certain parts of the community have been selling bitcoins for
    unreasonably
    low prices. This has halted Bitcoin's valuation at $20k and even
    driven the
    price down below $15k! However, clearly Bitcoin is worth much
    more than
    that, and there is widespread support for higher prices.

    In light of this, I have written and implemented two BIPs: one to
    add a
    signed price field to Bitcoin transactions, and the other to
    softfork a
    minimum price of $50k USD/BTC a year from today.

    The BIPs are here, as well as included at the bottom of this
    email for
    convenience:
    https://github.com/luke-jr/bips/blob/softfork_50k/bip-usdprice.mediawiki
    
https://github.com/luke-jr/bips/blob/softfork_50k/bip-softfork-50k-price.mediawiki

    A reference implementation is here:
    https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v0.17.1...luke-jr:softfork_50k

    Please review ASAP so we can get these deployed in Bitcoin Core
    v0.18.


This seems a little arbitrary. Ask yourself, "Why the USD?". Yes, it is the dominant currency now, but in 2, 6, 10, 14 years? Who knows.

You could make equally an argument to denominate in euros. Or a basket of currencies, or even the Bancor.

However the wider question is why even denominate in fiat at all?

I suggest denominating the minimum value in satoshsis themselves, which would be a negligable upgrade to the network.


    Luke


    <pre>
      BIP: ?
      Layer: Applications
      Title: Signed USD Price Indicator
      Author: Luke Dashjr <luke+...@dashjr.org
    <mailto:luke%2b...@dashjr.org>>
      Comments-Summary: No comments yet.
      Comments-URI:
    https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/wiki/Comments:BIP-????
      Status: Draft
      Type: Standards Track
      Created: 2019-04-01
      License: BSD-2-Clause
    </pre>

    ==Abstract==

    This BIP proposes a method to explicitly specify and sign the
    USD/BTC price
    for transactions.

    ==Copyright==

    This BIP is licensed under the BSD 2-clause license.

    ==Motivation==

    Certain parts of the community have been selling bitcoins for
    unreasonably low
    prices. This has halted Bitcoin's valuation at $20k and even
    driven the price
    down below $15k! However, clearly Bitcoin is worth much more than
    that, and
    there is widespread support for higher prices.

    This problem can be fixed by setting a global minimum price for
    bitcoins.
    Unfortunately, today, the consensus protocol is completely
    oblivious to the
    price bitcoins are traded at. Therefore, we must first add a
    field to Bitcoin
    transactions to indicate their price.

    ==Specification==

    ===New field and legal implication===

    A new field is added to Bitcoin transactions. This field, if
    present, must
    represent the honest and true USD/BTC rate used for the
    transaction. By
    signing the transaction, the sender legally affirms this is the
    valuation of
    bitcoins used for the transaction.

    For the avoidance of doubt: when the transaction is valued in a
    currency other
    than USD, any reasonable exchange rate may be used to come up
    with the USD
    valuation.

    ===Serialisation===

    When serialising the transaction for any purpose, including
    signing, weight
    calculation, and so on, the output count must be incremented by
    one. Prior to
    the first real output, the following bytes must be inserted:

    * Constant: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
    * A single byte, the size in bytes of the remainder of the
    inserted data
    * Constant: 6a 04 55 53 44 24
    * A single byte, the size in bytes of the remainder of the
    inserted data
    * The USD/BTC rate used for the transaction, in standard signed
    integer
    serialisation, with all leading zeros removed (except as
    necessary to
    preserve the sign bit).

    ==Backwards compatibility==

    ===Consensus===

    The new price field is serialised as a dummy output, with a value
    of zero, and
    a scriptPubKey that begins with OP_RETURN (6a). Existing nodes
    will ignore
    this dummy output, and the leading OP_RETURN in the scriptPubKey
    ensures it
    is never considered spendable.

    Therefore, current nodes will ignore the new field entirely, and
    accept
    transactions using it.

    ===Wallets===

    Existing wallets do not typically generate price indicators as
    specified.
    Under this BIP, this absence of the field is perfectly acceptable.

    ==Reference implementation==

    
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v0.17.1...luke-jr:usd_price_tx_field

    <pre>
      BIP: ?
      Layer: Consensus (soft fork)
      Title: $50k USD/BTC Minimum Price
      Author: Luke Dashjr <luke+...@dashjr.org
    <mailto:luke%2b...@dashjr.org>>
      Comments-Summary: No comments yet.
      Comments-URI:
    https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/wiki/Comments:BIP-????
      Status: Draft
      Type: Standards Track
      Created: 2019-04-01
      License: BSD-2-Clause
      Requires: usdprice
    </pre>

    ==Abstract==

    This BIP defines a minimum price of $50k USD/BTC for Bitcoin
    transactions.

    ==Copyright==

    This BIP is licensed under the BSD 2-clause license.

    ==Motivation==

    Certain parts of the community have been selling bitcoins for
    unreasonably low
    prices. This has halted Bitcoin's valuation at $20k and even
    driven the price
    down below $15k! However, clearly Bitcoin is worth much more than
    that, and
    there is widespread support for higher prices.

    bip-usdprice defines a new field to indicate the price of
    transactions. Using
    this, we can softfork to require a minimum transaction price.

    ==Specification==

    Beginning with block height 622370 (expected approximately 2020
    April 1), a
    block is reject as invalid unless all transactions it contains
    both declare a
    USD/BTC price (as defined in bip-usdprice) and specify a price
    that is at a
    minimum $50k USD/BTC.

    ==Backwards compatibility==

    As a soft fork, older nodes will continue to accept the
    blockchain without
    modification. Non-upgraded nodes, however, will not validate the
    minimum
    price requirement, and may accept invalid blocks if miners choose
    to make
    them. Since transactions not declaring a price are at this time
    still
    common-place, the softfork activation has been set a full year
    into the
    future to ensure time to upgrade both nodes and wallet software.

    ==Reference implementation==

    https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/compare/usd_price_tx_field...softfork_50k
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