To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces “transparency” (increases privacy) on the chain (“maintaining consensus” is obviously an argument against any protocol change, so that’s a red herring)?
And is it your theory that only an “honest” (statute abiding) person should have privacy, and not against the state, and/or that mixers are sufficient privacy? Personally, I’m not moved by such an argument. What do you think is the value proposition of Bitcoin? e > On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Good Afternoon, > > I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do appreciate a > courteous practice. Having previously made public disclosure of my > affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my affiliation > through the link in my email signature block. > > My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus values and > the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are published in > an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of information by any > obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability of a privacy suitable for > cash should a Bitcoin user desire and especially without disturbing the > existing consensus. > > The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. As you > may experience yourself, you do not allow people to follow you around looking > in your purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with cash, and to see where > and how much you fill it up, and where you spend. Nonetheless, for an honest > person, their wallet is available for government audit as are their financial > affairs. This is consistent with the existing operation of consensus. > > My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have some affiliation > with the referenced website being that it carries at least some information > that I have provided or that in some way I am associated perhaps only making > use of their services. For example, I hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just > my information is there. Also, I have made previous public disclosure of the > affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I > receive a service referral fee and am not in receipt of any part of the > process transaction. The operation block diagram provided by Jambler.io is > provided here and attached. > <ip.bitcointalk.org.png> > > [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer > https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fscheme-1.png&t=622&c=gTi7r1cfh-yynw > from this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267588 > > > The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of my > referral website is also publicly published, > https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer > > The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io however > and is made prominently on my referral website. While it may seem lucrative > at first I insist all partner profits are reportable on your personal income. > https://jambler.io/become-partner.php > > I am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the difference > between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of the user to not > reveal details of the content of their wallet publicly. > > If further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token and mix > some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of reference. > > KING JAMES HRMH > Great British Empire > > Regards, > The Australian > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > Wills > > et al. > > > Willtech > www.willtech.com.au > www.go-overt.com > and other projects > > earn.com/willtech > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > > > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 > > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email > if misdelivered. > From: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM > To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <[email protected]>; Bitcoin Protocol > Discussion <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > > Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH > > I find a striking dichotomy between your concern of increased privacy in > bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature www.go-overt.com > > At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion of a > bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit motivated? I > can't tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the mixer. > > Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and moving > forward could you please always do proper disclosure any time you're > publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only fair to do so > as to not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at worst and just a > courteous practice at best. > > Cheers > Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev > <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Evening, > > Thank-you for your advice @JeremyRubin on the basis you advise, "Taproot > does not enable monero-like privacy features", I am prepred to withdraw my > NACK notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be maintained, and > whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the PayTo Address, and the > amount all without any obfuscation. > > Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a result of a > subset of transactions although the operation of the channel is observable to > the parties. > > The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of Taproot > published in a public media channel may have been speculation or > misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you see > that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the cracks. > As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full disclosure to this > list it is not to be expected. > > KING JAMES HRMH > Great British Empire > > Regards, > The Australian > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > Wills > > et al. > > > Willtech > www.willtech.com.au > www.go-overt.com > and other projects > > earn.com/willtech > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > > > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 > > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email > if misdelivered. > From: Jeremy <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM > To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <[email protected]>; Bitcoin Protocol > Discussion <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > > I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy > features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, taproot > is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less expensive, > done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy dependent on user > behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). For example, it makes > it possible for lightning channels to look structurally similar to single key > wallets, but it does nothing inherently to obfuscate the transaction graph as > in monero. > > Such "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist in Bitcoin > via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, etc) with or > without Taproot, so the point is further moot. > > Do you have a source on your reporting? > > You may wish to rescind your nack. > > > -- > @JeremyRubin > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via > bitcoin-dev < [email protected]> wrote: > Good Afternoon, > > It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like features > including the ability to hide transactions. > > If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain. > > A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full transaction > is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so that transactions > may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government would have unlimited > impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is the reason India has been > reported to have banned cryptocurrencies already. > > I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming the > established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core functionality > of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered. > > KING JAMES HRMH > Great British Empire > > Regards, > The Australian > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > Wills > > et al. > > > Willtech > www.willtech.com.au > www.go-overt.com > and other projects > > earn.com/willtech > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > > > m. 0487135719 > f. +61261470192 > > > This email does not constitute a general advice. 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