Any "transparency" in the blockchain, beyond that required for a participant to determine valid ownership, can only reasonably be thought of as a bug.
Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash. Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to share this information, it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any other party that this transaction has occured. Bitcoin is digital cash. Daniel Edgecumbe | esotericnonsense [email protected] | https://esotericnonsense.com On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 22:37, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev wrote: > To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces “transparency” > (increases privacy) on the chain (“maintaining consensus” is obviously > an argument against any protocol change, so that’s a red herring)? > > And is it your theory that only an “honest” (statute abiding) person > should have privacy, and not against the state, and/or that mixers are > sufficient privacy? > > Personally, I’m not moved by such an argument. What do you think is the > value proposition of Bitcoin? > > e > > > On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Good Afternoon, > > > > I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do appreciate a > > courteous practice. Having previously made public disclosure of my > > affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my affiliation > > through the link in my email signature block. > > > > My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus values and > > the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are published > > in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of information by any > > obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability of a privacy suitable > > for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and especially without disturbing the > > existing consensus. > > > > The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. As you > > may experience yourself, you do not allow people to follow you around > > looking in your purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with cash, and to > > see where and how much you fill it up, and where you spend. Nonetheless, > > for an honest person, their wallet is available for government audit as are > > their financial affairs. This is consistent with the existing operation of > > consensus. > > > > My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have some affiliation > > with the referenced website being that it carries at least some information > > that I have provided or that in some way I am associated perhaps only > > making use of their services. For example, I hardly make a profit from > > LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I have made previous public > > disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 is a partner mixer run by > > Jambler.io wherein I receive a service referral fee and am not in receipt > > of any part of the process transaction. The operation block diagram > > provided by Jambler.io is provided here and attached. > > <ip.bitcointalk.org.png> > > > > [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer > > https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fscheme-1.png&t=622&c=gTi7r1cfh-yynw > > from this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267588 > > > > > > The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of my > > referral website is also publicly published, > > https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer > > > > The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io however > > and is made prominently on my referral website. While it may seem lucrative > > at first I insist all partner profits are reportable on your personal > > income. > > https://jambler.io/become-partner.php > > > > I am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the difference > > between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of the user to > > not reveal details of the content of their wallet publicly. > > > > If further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token and mix > > some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of reference. > > > > KING JAMES HRMH > > Great British Empire > > > > Regards, > > The Australian > > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > > MR. Damian A. James Williamson > > Wills > > > > et al. > > > > > > Willtech > > www.willtech.com.au > > www.go-overt.com > > and other projects > > > > earn.com/willtech > > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > > > > > > m. 0487135719 > > f. +61261470192 > > > > > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this > > email if misdelivered. > > *From:* Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM > > *To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <[email protected]>; Bitcoin > > Protocol Discussion <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > > > > Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH > > > > I find a striking dichotomy between your concern of increased privacy in > > bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature www.go-overt.com > > > > At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion of a > > bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit motivated? I > > can't tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the mixer. > > > > Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and moving > > forward could you please always do proper disclosure any time you're > > publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only fair to do > > so as to not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at worst and just a > > courteous practice at best. > > > > Cheers > > Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > > On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Good Evening, > >> > >> Thank-you for your advice @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin> > >> on the basis you advise, "Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy > >> features", I am prepred to withdraw my NACK notably that the existing > >> feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a > >> transaction is identifiable, the PayTo Address, and the amount all without > >> any obfuscation. > >> > >> Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a result of a > >> subset of transactions although the operation of the channel is observable > >> to the parties. > >> > >> The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of Taproot > >> published in a public media channel may have been speculation or > >> misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you see > >> that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the > >> cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full > >> disclosure to this list it is not to be expected. > >> > >> KING JAMES HRMH > >> Great British Empire > >> > >> Regards, > >> The Australian > >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson > >> Wills > >> > >> et al. > >> > >> > >> Willtech > >> www.willtech.com.au > >> www.go-overt.com > >> and other projects > >> > >> earn.com/willtech > >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > >> > >> > >> m. 0487135719 > >> f. +61261470192 > >> > >> > >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this > >> email if misdelivered. > >> *From:* Jeremy <[email protected]> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM > >> *To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <[email protected]>; Bitcoin > >> Protocol Discussion <[email protected]> > >> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK > >> > >> I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy > >> features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, > >> taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less > >> expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy > >> dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). > >> For example, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look > >> structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does nothing inherently > >> to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero. > >> > >> Such "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist in > >> Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, etc) > >> with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot. > >> > >> Do you have a source on your reporting? > >> > >> You may wish to rescind your nack. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin> > >> <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via > >> bitcoin-dev < [email protected]> wrote: > >>> Good Afternoon, > >>> > >>> It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like features > >>> including the ability to hide transactions. > >>> > >>> If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain. > >>> > >>> A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full > >>> transaction is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so > >>> that transactions may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government > >>> would have unlimited impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is > >>> the reason India has been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies > >>> already. > >>> > >>> I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming the > >>> established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core > >>> functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered. > >>> > >>> KING JAMES HRMH > >>> Great British Empire > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> The Australian > >>> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) > >>> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire > >>> MR. Damian A. James Williamson > >>> Wills > >>> > >>> et al. > >>> > >>> > >>> Willtech > >>> www.willtech.com.au > >>> www.go-overt.com > >>> and other projects > >>> > >>> earn.com/willtech > >>> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson > >>> > >>> > >>> m. 0487135719 > >>> f. +61261470192 > >>> > >>> > >>> This email does not constitute a general advice. 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