Ok, now things are starting to get a little heated. Time to sit back and see 
what's come up so far.

Firstly, it seems that there's just a few names that are coming up regularly, 
and making the same points. Some of the points are good, some valid, and some 
just outright nasty. There's no need to get personal, as this is supposed to 
be a list with intelligent people. Or at least, people who would like to be 
intelligent. I will leave it to each person to figure out which group they 
belong in.

Now before this whole discussion descends into "did not" and "did too", let's 
just see what the *rest* of the people on the list think of the ideas. 
Remember that it's all of us who make the user base, not just the vocal or 
talented. Let's see what everyone else likes, and then discuss the 
feasability of the most popular options.

To start the ball rolling, I like the ideas that give the most choice to 
those who aren't 100% on how the system works. How else are we supposed to 
get people to change to a superior WM if they don't understand it? 

I like the close button on torn menus. Or if possible, the idea that a torn 
menu can be closed by clicking on the parent menu where it's supposed to be. 
What if you lost the torn menu? How are you supposed to access or close it if 
you can't get to it? Are you supposed to hunt for 20 mins? Or just restart 
the WM? Personally, I haven't lost one yet. But someone might. And then maybe 
to indicate on the parent menu that a child is torn, a different symbol. 
Instead of an arrow, how about an "!" or "*", just to remind you "hey doofus, 
you've torn this off. And now you can't find it, right?", and then you can 
hunt for it, or just re-click on that menu item to re-spawn it in it's proper 
place.

Now please, no more arguing over the semantics, let's just find out what 
people want.

Hopefully a voice of reason,
Speedy

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