> > given that i started this thread i think it's time for me to > apologize for doing so. :) >
this is a common issue on the list, do not feel bad. Basically we have two main groups of people. There is the "old timer" who has used blackbox since before 0.50. They like it just like it is and fight against any change. Then there is the recent convert. He remembers some whiz feature from his last wm and thinks it would be nice if blackbox had it. Often either the hackers (Brad and I) or the users and sometimes both disagree. Occasionally the idea has merit and is either added to the wishlist or coded promptly. Blackbox's goal is not to be every other wm. There are so many out there because each one has its own merits and reason for being. We are happy pointing people to another wm when they are unhappy if that means not compromising blackbox. This is not always popular and sometimes leads to "discussions". I have no problem having them. It helps all of us establish what we want and what we don't. Not everyone hear may know this but my hacking roots are in the Debian project. LONG discussions are something I am very accustomed to. They don't bother me. It is not very often I take anything personally. My opinion about open source hacking is quite simple. Bugs reports are great. Do not berate someone for submitting them, thank them. I always try to. User feedback is similar. Even if I 100% disagree and have no intention of doing what they ask it is important that each person have the ability to express any issues or desires they have. My stepfather always tells me "acceptance does not mean agreeing". Wise words. Sure some people will laugh and others will send flame. Such is life on the Net. As project coordinator I always try to remain calm and explain my rationale. As I like to tell xOr, an argument is never truly over with me. Give me real, valid reasons and explanations and I can be swayed. But also expect me to give you equally valid reasons against. To wrap up, what I am trying to say is I hope no one on this list is ever discouraged from voicing an opinion or idea. It may be subsequently shot down but at the same time we just might think it is brilliant. And Matt I may bitch and complain about your little bugs but I appreciate them just the same. In fact I now have a special style which has ugly borders just to test out proper pixel positions from now on.