Thanks for your input. I've responded to most of the points you
raised:

>The Overview example text could use a little more detail.

Done.

> I like the information but not necessarily the layout of the giant grids with 
> mostly empty space. I don't understand why having an info button should have 
> the important first spot. The most important thing that plugins add are 
> Actions and Catalog items and I think those should be first in that order.

The order of the columns is important as sometimes you have to check
the '+' button before you get the catalog entries, before you get the
actions, etc. I left them on the page I created at 
http://qsapp.com/wiki/Plugin_Templates,
but removed the empty columns from the Opera Module.

> I do like the hierarchy being shown in the catalog and the type for actions 
> but it took me a little to figure it out. Maybe bolding the actions and 
> catalog entries like they are in the Commands section to make them stand out?

Done.

> In commands I don't understand "Items in brackets are additional 
> instructions." I don't see brackets, [], though I do see parenthesis ().

Parenthesis = brackets (In my head). Fixed.

> And it looks like additional instructions are in the Extra Requirements and 
> Notes columns.

Made the explanation above the table clearer.

> I believe Proxy Objects requires Advanced Features to be enabled so that 
> should be listed in requirements and you probably shouldn't start off with 
> something that requires Advanced Features.

Done.

>Also Current Web Page comes from the Safari plugin (which should be in 
>requirements) so while it works, it probably shouldn't be here at all since 
>it's the same as URL.What I'd do in this case is under Operas current web 
>page, in the note I'd say not to be confused with the badly named Current web 
>page proxy object which refers only to Safari's current page.

Added the Safari Module condition. I like it because I find it's the
most useful Command. I realise it's subjective, but I think it's worth
promoting such Commands. Added a 'Current Web Page' explanation.

>For the Copy from Opera to scripts I think it's useful to list them all on 
>their own line and not just in the note say there are others. I'm guessing 
>there's are copy to Opera variants and currently I don't know their name.

Anyone want to do this?

> Is "Operas open tabs" a proxy object or only available via right-arrow into 
> Opera.app? I assume Opera needs to be running for this so that should be in 
> the notes. I'd think these things should be grouped together and not 
> separated by a proxy object example. Maybe these should be up in the 
> preferences items section but I'm not sure how.

Changed the Object to an instruction. Moved the row up.

> I appreciate that saying "(Text and URL actions)" tells you a list of 
> available actions but I think I still want to see specific examples. I'm not 
> sure what I'd do with an open tab other than show or close and these aren't 
> text or URL actions.

The open tabs resolve as URLs. I changed the Action to an instruction.
I don't think it's a good idea to put examples in the table, that's
what the tutorials are for. Using Opera's current tab URLs is in the
video.

>I assume searches work with Find With... and Search For... which require the 
>Web Searches plugin and probably should be listed explicitly for people to 
>find and need something in the third pane (its listed as blank).

Wouldn't the URL have to contain *** as the search parameter? It's
unlikely that someone would have that as an open tab URL and want to
use it with an action. Is there any Opera exclusive Commands that
would use search URLs?


I also put links to the Commands and (unfinished) Preferences pages
for explanation, and added a plugin info section at the bottom.

Cheers, Phil.


>
> Howard
>
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:01 AM, philostein wrote:
>
>
>
> > I've taken a lot of junk1's ideas and Patrick's wish to have fewer
> > screenshots, and come up with this:
> >http://qsapp.com/wiki/Opera_Module
>
> > There's 4 sections:
>
> > - Overview
> > - Preference Items
> > - Commands
> > - Tutorials
>
> > Some details:
>
> > - Overview: A quick summary of what the plugin does with a interface
> > window image (75% size jpg 20 kb).
>
> > - Preference Items: What the plugin adds to Preferences. I've bulleted
> > the navigation structure to hopefully make the items easier to find.
>
> > - Commands: Instead of just Actions, I think it's better to list
> > Commands. Plugins sometimes add objects (e.g., scripts, Address Book
> > contacts) and catalog entries as well as actions. There's columns for
> > extra requirements (e.g., Proxy Objects catalog entry needs to be
> > checked) and notes.
>
> > - Tutorials: Videos (no bandwidth), walkthroughs, hints and tips here.
>
> > I think it'll be easier to see all the info while still being compact.
>
> > Let me know what you think. If this is a goer, I'll add a template
> > page to the wiki to make it easier for anyone to add pages.
>
> > Notes: Opera's current web page Proxy is broken in ß58? How to align
> > text to the top of tables in the wiki?
>
> > Cheers, Phil.
>
> > On Mar 30, 6:45 am, philostein <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Perhaps just one image near the top as an example, then a template
> >> format for other actions.
>
> >> What about a table with First pane, second pane, third pane columns?
>
> >> On Mar 30, 6:24 am, Patrick Robertson <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>> Although I freely admit that I only tested it for about 3 seconds with
>
> >>> B58. It works great with B54.
>
> >>> Works beautifully on B58 for me ;)
>
> >>>> Here's the revision. Let me know what I got wrong.
>
> >>> Looks good to me. I think it may be good to have a short one liner
> >>> description at the top of every page (similar to what you see in QS when 
> >>> you
> >>> click the 'i' but better as these are pretty rubbish)
>
> >>> Does everyone think images are necessary? They look nice but I'm not 
> >>> sure...
>
> >>> On 30 March 2011 05:49, Rob McBroom <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:54 PM, philostein wrote:
>
> >>>>> I updated the Calculator and Tatau info. I added the Remote Hosts
> >>>>> Module - sorry, I must have missed that one somehow. (If you're
> >>>>> reading Rob, does this work still?)
>
> >>>> I was out of town - catching up.
>
> >>>> You mean does the plug-in work? I think it was written after 10.6 was 
> >>>> out,
> >>>> so… yeah. :)
>
> >>>> Although I freely admit that I only tested it for about 3 seconds with 
> >>>> B58.
> >>>> It works great with B54.
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Rob McBroom
> >>>> <http://www.skurfer.com/>

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