Le Wed, 4 May 2005 10:51:57 +0100 Declan Moriarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a
�crit :

> The es1371 chip is _not_ your average soundcard, more like the
> "winsoundard" (think of winmodemds :-o). The cpu does a lot more work
> and in windows it uses megabytes of drivers. Have a look in your kernel
> source ~/Documentation/sound/oss/es1371.txt for a good description of
> the problems.

Well, I investigated the problem a little. It doesn't seem to be the sound
after all. My installation is correct, and no, I'm not the kind of
szcrumlfbold to forget to read the docs before posting :-) I'm of course
in the audio group.

> > I know it comes from sound because before I was belonging to the audio
> > group, I had no trouble. Now, some games definitly freeze the system
> > (or just X, but I don't know how to get out).

It looks I have problems with SDL, or something like that (something
strongly related to games, anyway :-). I'll try some strace stuff to find
out what is happening.

> I would start by reading
> ~/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt where it refers to
> your card. Build a kernel with modules and allowing forced unloading 
> of them. That way you can have options in modprobe.conf to help you.
> When things go horribly wrong, you can use Ctrl_Alt_F<something> open a
> root console, and forcibly remove the module or kill processes.

I compiled the alsa driver in module, but it doesn't seem to solve the
problem. And I did NO udev configuration ;-) The sound works, not the
games (crash after a while).

When I say "crash", let's be precise :

- if the game is running full screen, my keyboard is inoperant, I CAN'T
get back to a console to kill anything. So hard reboot (smash the
keyboard, throw away the 30 pounds monitor, axe the tower... and finally
press the little button) is my only option.

- if the game is running windowed, I loose the use of anything in X, but
at least I can reach a console and kill the crashed game. But game in
window is no fun :-(

> If your problem is simply that you have to join the audio group again,
> please arrange to have yourself shot at dawn for asking us to debug your
> system, when we should have been debugging the sysadmin :).

The sysadmin learned from his past experiences ;-)
 
> > Do you have a solution ? Do I have to compile the driver in module
> > form ?  And if so, how do I configure uudev ?

> Join the audio group. If that fixes it, the instructions are above. 
> Have fun with udev. What is that anyhow?:-) The trouble with living 'on
> the bleeding edge' is that you bleed. When all you guys have grey
> hair from debugging it, then I'll think about using it.But linux
> crashing is stupid. You have a setup, compile, or permissions error.
> If you change everything in the sound area to 666 you'll soon find out
> if permissions was your problem. Then fix it.

Sound works fine without permissions hack, no ? Or is it sometimes
necessary to go threw this ?

Thanks anyway for your (sarcastic :-) response.

\bye

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