Dr.-Ing. Edgar Alwers wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2015 16:24:15 Cifer Lee wrote:
No. systemd is a solution looking for a problem.
-- Bruce
Yes, glad to see LFS boycott systemd
I do not agree at all with "LFS boycotts systemd" ! I am working with
systemd, as I found it in the LFS-book and at that time nobody could tell me
the pros and contras of SysV init vs. systemd.
We are not 'boycotting' systemd. If someone wants to maintain the systemd
version of the book then we will let them. Right now, the systemd developer
does not have the time to continue.
As a lot of distributors switched to systemd ( Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch Linux,
Mageia, OpenMandriva, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS ), I cannot agree
neither with "solution looking for a problem". That is too easy. The
distributors have for sure good arguments for doing that.
There is a very nice blog post "Why systemd ?" which works out the differences
between the systems:
"http://blog.jorgenschaefer.de/2014/07/why-systemd.html";
There is also a very nice blog post 'Broken by design: systemd'
http://ewontfix.com/14/
There are a lot of others.
My biggest complaint is that it does not let the user decide what components to
install.
Is dbus needed on a server? No, but it is needed for system initialization.
Is there a way to avoid binary logs? No.
If there is a problem, is it easy to debug? No.
Can I avoid (not just ignore) a dhcp server? No.
Does it run on non-linux systems (bsd, etc)? No.
Speed of bootup? My system takes about 7 seconds from the first boot script to
a login prompt on a fairly complete blfs system? How much will systemd speed
that up?
Are cgroups needed on a server? On a single user system like a laptop? No.
Some would call this bloat. Others lack of flexibility.
Overall, it's the Windows mentality where upstream always knows better than the
user.
I think, SysV init or systemd should remain for the time being a personal
decision, and both systems should be supported by LFS, not one boycotted.
See above about the non-boycott.
-- Bruce
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