Yes. A deadset. Don't tell me! You don't know what a deadset is?? It's a headset designed for those with empty space between the ears. I figured that you, if anyone, would know what you should own. (ornery grin). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming?
>A dead set? > > Whoa must save this email > > Crash > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >>9 pm Eastern, 8 central. I hope you can locate a deadset. It would be >> interesting to have you join, and you are more than welcome. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:26 PM >> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> >>> I'll shoot you off an e-mail. 9:00 pacific standard time? If I can >>> find >>> a >>> headset that works, I might give it a shot. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:24 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> Hi James >>> >>> I'd also like to contact you offlist if you wouldn't mind. The chat >>> starts at 9:00 or there about on >>> WWW.for-the-people.com >>> I doubt i'll be showing this evening. Though if yif you would like to >>> get >>> in touch it's >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> I hope to hear from you >>> Ron Schamerhorn >>> Audyssey Editor >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN only >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: James from Alchemy >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:53 PM >>> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>> >>> What time is the game chat? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Gary Whittington >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:48 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> Ekekekeke >>> >>> Guess we have a nice topic for game chat tonight. >>> >>> Some ears going to be ringing tonight. LOl >>> >>> Crash >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>>> Send something to Kevin off list as he has asked, voicing your opinion. >>>> I >>>> hope every list member sends him something, whether it be on the side >>>> for, >>>> or against, Brenda's behavior. To me, the worst thing she did was to >>>> post >>>> portions of, or entire, off list Emails to the list, making them no >>>> longer >>>> private. Unexcusable. I have sent Kevin a private Email, and have >>>> also >>>> sent Brenda a copy of my thoughts on how she has been handling this >>>> situation, and have also made my feelings known as to what should be >>>> done >>>> and why. Again, I hope that all list members take part in shaping the >>>> list >>>> in the future. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gary Whittington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Got to say that was not fair. With mods reminding us to take things >>>>> off >>>>> list then posting it as though it was not a private conversation. Now >>>>> wlhy >>>>> would anybody take it off line to have some thing maybe taken out off >>>>> contents. A person would nick pick and reword the email to fit thier >>>>> agenda. >>>>> I myself find anything new or even justifying in the email to have >>>>> such >>>>> a >>>>> thing to be done. IN fact if there was any justifying reason to do >>>>> such >>>>> an >>>>> act no one sould do it. no one asked to see the private messages and >>>>> doing >>>>> some thing like is not knocking a person character but the one who who >>>>> did >>>>> the public posting. We all don't like public flogging and thats >>>>> whatit >>>>> looked like and a a ploy for more flogging and ridecue. >>>>> >>>>> The action and reaction of this is going not help the moderation of >>>>> the >>>>> list when a mod ask a person to take it of list and they want to take >>>>> to >>>>> the >>>>> email member to talk to them privately, how can one trust a mod to >>>>> keep >>>>> it >>>>> private between them. It certaining looks like a mistake, if one gets >>>>> caught up in the moment and a retracktion is is the best thing all >>>>> around. >>>>> When I read the post I felt dirty. So, as others I am sure, not to >>>>> mention >>>>> James who's trust was broken in thinking that emailing a moderator, >>>>> would >>>>> break this common sense trust. >>>>> >>>>> I am only trying to be fair and truthfull here and not wanting to stir >>>>> up >>>>> anything up. This email group for me gets my most email in my box and >>>>> yes, >>>>> its a tough enough job to mod it as I see it in my email box. For us >>>>> on >>>>> the >>>>> list we don't see what gets through for this and that, and I am happy >>>>> for >>>>> it. But do we going to need a Mod for the moderators. >>>>> >>>>> So, since this email has to about flaming and flogging, I have done >>>>> so. >>>>> Not >>>>> on anybody but on a matter that is very important and that is posting >>>>> private messages to a public form. The list has rules now and maybe >>>>> its >>>>> up >>>>> to the members now to look at making rules for the Moderators. This >>>>> email >>>>> may spawn off other threads, well so be it, maybe all this will make >>>>> the >>>>> list even better in the long run I took some time off before writting >>>>> this >>>>> email, and that may have been the right choice for me and for those >>>>> who >>>>> may >>>>> get caught up in something and later wishes they had not. This list >>>>> certainly has people who cares and thats great. WE have a passion for >>>>> games >>>>> and that is the heart of this email list. We want this email to be as >>>>> good >>>>> as it can be and once awhile the passion blinds us in what we are >>>>> doing, >>>>> being good or bad. So, when we all can try to remember, at times to >>>>> sit >>>>> back before going off and ask ourselves will this hurt or be helpful. >>>>> For >>>>> the email list I hope this does help and for this old wind bag, I >>>>> have >>>>> said >>>>> my peace and want to get back to learning about games. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Crash >>>>> God Bliss >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jennifer North" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:18 AM >>>>> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You, as a moderator, should know that this point will only bring this >>>>>> discussion back up even as it's been dealt with effectively by Kevin. >>>>>> What >>>>>> do you need now? Vindication? Do I bring this issue to my website >>>>>> and >>>>>> have >>>>>> an all-out war? You brought off-list correspondence on-list. It's >>>>>> well-known that you often act towards members in ways that would >>>>>> normally >>>>>> get others in trouble or on moderated status. Is there a >>>>>> double-standard? >>>>>> I believe so. Others believe so. That's just my opinion based on >>>>>> past >>>>>> flare ups you've had with other members (who shall not be mentioned, >>>>>> nor >>>>>> their private e-mails fanned out here in a public forum). >>>>>> >>>>>> As many people have definite opinions of you as they do of me. >>>>>> Thought >>>>>> this >>>>>> thread was dead? On one hand, you say that you refuse to respond, >>>>>> and >>>>>> now >>>>>> you're bringing it back up. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't see what's so hard to see about the thread being snide, >>>>>> facetious, >>>>>> and sarcastic. To what standard can the members be held accountable >>>>>> to >>>>>> if >>>>>> you, as a moderator, do not adhere to the same standard? >>>>>> >>>>>> Let it go and move on.. get some therapy.. whatever, but you know, if >>>>>> I >>>>>> can't even e-mail a moderator privately without you shoveling it all >>>>>> over >>>>>> the list publicly, then screw it. I don't know what kind of >>>>>> medication, >>>>>> affliction, or condition you either have or need to have, but this is >>>>>> getting old. >>>>>> >>>>>> Drop it already.. if you need to have the last word, then have it.. >>>>>> then, >>>>>> let's let it go.. and, please, everyone else not respond to her last >>>>>> word.. >>>>>> time to move! on! folks!.. as, Mr. Rivard would say. *grin* >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of brenda green >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:41 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>>>> >>>>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>>>> this >>>>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>>>> list >>>>>> . >>>>>> I do have a job and a family. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled >>>>>> to >>>>>> an >>>>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification >>>>>> of >>>>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where >>>>>> it >>>>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and >>>>>> stated >>>>>> the >>>>>> fact for my decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>>>> which >>>>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>>>> state >>>>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>>>> There's >>>>>> also a couple of messages from other list members who shall remain >>>>>> nameless >>>>>> unless they choose to admit to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>>>> "raceway" >>>>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>>>>> who >>>>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and >>>>>> recalled. >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a >>>>>> year >>>>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait >>>>>> until >>>>>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>> actually released to take a look at it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>>>> recall >>>>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>>>> entire >>>>>> year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life doing the >>>>>> community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply >>>>>> don't. >>>>>> Your >>>>>> innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in the >>>>>> spirit >>>>>> of >>>>>> your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even after it's >>>>>> released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the price >>>>>> to >>>>>> $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get busy. >>>>>> Ain't >>>>>> that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: James North >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>>>> List >>>>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>>>> assume >>>>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>>>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>>>> quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> To: James North >>>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do >>>>>> not >>>>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt >>>>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>> same as any other member of the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>>>> you >>>>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>>>> true. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda Green >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: James North >>>>>> >>>>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >>>>>> what >>>>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>>>> about >>>>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>>>>> imply >>>>>> that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is inconsequential. >>>>>> As >>>>>> soon >>>>>> as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, anyway. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of me >>>>>> being >>>>>> on >>>>>> the list is that people can ask me questions directly. That's why >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll unsubscribe >>>>>> again. >>>>>> That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the list >>>>>> does >>>>>> take >>>>>> time out of my day. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business >>>>>> of >>>>>> what >>>>>> 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to find >>>>>> any >>>>>> of >>>>>> my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying to >>>>>> maintain >>>>>> a >>>>>> regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. >>>>>> If >>>>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then >>>>>> they >>>>>> will, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a lot >>>>>> who >>>>>> depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track >>>>>> record >>>>>> and >>>>>> if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the >>>>>> games >>>>>> I >>>>>> have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to follow >>>>>> suit, >>>>>> then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >>>>>> need >>>>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>>>> seem >>>>>> to >>>>>> have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put >>>>>> back >>>>>> on >>>>>> moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the >>>>>> list, >>>>>> as >>>>>> the next post shows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: brenda green >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>>>>> since >>>>>> I >>>>>> have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. >>>>>> Somebody >>>>>> asked >>>>>> me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the >>>>>> rights >>>>>> to >>>>>> both games. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>>>> please. >>>>>> During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway they >>>>>> refused >>>>>> to >>>>>> take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it this true or >>>>>> false? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>>>> answer >>>>>> and >>>>>> others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the >>>>>> person >>>>>> that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and >>>>>> they'd >>>>>> like >>>>>> to get Monty, can they change their order since the same company owns >>>>>> both >>>>>> games? If there's a price difference, can they pay the difference and >>>>>> get >>>>>> Monty instead of Raceway? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda Green >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me >>>>>> except >>>>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>>>> pre-orders. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If >>>>>> anyone's >>>>>> interested, e-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>>>> messages. >>>>>> If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so >>>>>> themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. >>>>>> Open >>>>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone >>>>>> who, >>>>>> on >>>>>> a >>>>>> fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing >>>>>> such >>>>>> open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, her >>>>>> own >>>>>> messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at >>>>>> least >>>>>> follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brenda, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>>>> thing >>>>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >>>>>> that >>>>>> he is looking for them. 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