Yeah, thanks, that made perfect sense (although I have just programmed only in the old Sinclair Basic, Pascal 3.0 and Autoit, I am still a beginner programmer :-) but then I do not understand where to find out how to use the syntax of the language and how to integrate the Dotnet libraries into my appz. Thanks for your patience. lol Lukas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news.
> Huh? I think you miss understood. When you write a Visual Basic, C++, > or C# dotnet application Visual Studio compiles that down to what is > known as MSIL. This is then run by the dotnet framework runtime. It can > not be compiled any further from there. I don't know of any books that > discuss MSIL by itself. > Anyway, the point is dotnet apps are different because they compile > down to the MSIL where as a standard win32 aplication written in say C++ > is compiled to a native binary. As a result C++ apps do not need a > runtime, and are fully compiled in to machine code. Did that make sense, > or did I confuse you? > > > Neo wrote: >> Yeah, I see. Thanks for the thorough explanation - seems that I will >> need it >> quite shortly. :-) >> So, by the way, can you recommend any manuals or tutorials to learn >> the Msil >> language, as well as some (free if possible) compilers for it? I could >> just >> as well do a Google search on the net but I'd have to filter good >> stuff from >> all the garbage. In such cases, the experience of a long-time programmer >> like you is invaluable. ยจ:-D >> Thanks... >> >> Well, there might be one more way to handle this problem, but if I >> were in >> your shoes, then I wouldn't use it. :-) >> You could make STFC available for pre-ordering (although I doubt that >> enough >> people would buy it for you to have enough money to buy one of those >> security exploits, and afterwards still enough people for you to have a >> satisfactory return on investment)... :-) >> Just a speculation to help you eliminate the decisions you don't like, >> as I >> feel sorry with you but I'm afraid this is the only thing I can do to >> help >> you. :-) >> Take care, >> Lukas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:56 AM >> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. >> >> >> > Hi, Lucas. >> > Well, here is what the dotnet framework is. It is a set of common >> > libraries that is shared between dotnet languages. However, unlike >> > strait C++, Visual Basic, etc dotnet programs are compiled to an >> > intermediate state language called MSIL. Since the app is not native it >> > runs in a runtime environment not unlike the Java Runtime Environment. >> > In theory you can install Mono dotnet for Linux and a C# app will run >> > almost as well on Linux as it would in Windows provided you don't >> > include Windows specific libraries. >> > Besides having a common set of libs between languages dotnet handles >> > the >> > garbage collection, processor optimisation, and other things one would >> > have to do themselves compiling to a native binary. >> > However, converting from a C# dotnet application to a standard win32 >> > C++ >> > application is like converting apples to oranges. There are >> > similarities, but many things just aren't the same. >> > In dotnet it is likely a C++, C#, and VB programmer would use >> > System.Math for all the game calculations. A Win32 developer would have >> > to remove all use of System.Math and use math.h and it's math >> > functionality. >> > Not only that but dotnet uses >> > Microsoft.System.Windows.Forms >> > for handling forms and form controls. Well, yank that out and put in >> > windows.h and rewrite the entire window code to conform to win32 C++. >> > Anyway, basically it would be allot of work to convert if I do so. >> > >> > >> > Neo wrote: >> >> HI, >> >> if I understand it correctly, then Dotnet is only a bunch of libraries >> >> that >> >> help programmers do certain things easier, and that are compatible >> >> with most >> >> different programming languages. Am I right? :-) >> >> If yes, then it means that the core of the game has to be written in >> >> C++ or >> >> whatever language you used, in which case it should not be that much >> >> difficult to convert te entire game into it and get rid of the .Net >> >> Framework. You'd just have to build your own libraries for the >> particular >> >> tasks and the game would not be that easily portable to different >> >> platforms >> >> such as Lynux. >> >> HOpefully I understand the problem correctly. :-) >> >> Thanks and take care, >> >> Lukas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:17 AM >> >> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi, Lucas. >> >> > You are right. I am not going to fork over that kind of cash as I >> feel >> >> > Microsoft could have done better to inform new devs of this security >> >> > issue in the first place. Microsoft knows about it, but like >> typical MS >> >> > fassion their answer is go to a third party vender to buy a tool >> >> > that >> >> > fixes the problem. Growl..... >> >> > If I had known about this up front I would have stayed my course >> >> > with >> >> > C++, and not bothered learning the net languages for games. >> Although, I >> >> > don't mind knowing them, because those skills are always helpful to >> >> > a >> >> > programmer. >> >> > However, i now have lived and learned, and I will fall back on my >> >> > own >> >> > personal favorite programming language, C++, and decide to stay >> clear >> >> > of >> >> > the Microsoft hipe over their inventions. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Neo wrote: >> >> >> Oh hell, that's not very pleasant. :-) >> >> >> Well, something tells me you're not gonna pay that little bit of >> money >> >> >> for a >> >> >> security program, right? :-D >> >> >> However, I don't know why Microsoft couldn't fix this themselves in >> >> >> the >> >> >> future and release a new hotfix, service pack or even a >> completely new >> >> >> substitute version of Dotnet which would be compatible with the >> older >> >> >> ones >> >> >> so that you would not have to rewrite STFC from scratch. :-) >> >> >> Would they have to rebuild Dotnet completely? Otherwise, I don't >> know >> >> >> what >> >> >> would prevent them from doing this, except some halflegal >> >> agreements with >> >> >> third parties... :-) >> >> >> Well, we can just wait and see. And, in case you really have to do >> >> it all >> >> >> from the beginning, in which case you'd probably let it go, right? >> >> Then I >> >> >> can only express my endless admiration and grattitude for your good >> >> >> wil and >> >> >> desire. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Lukas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:05 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi, Lucas. >> >> >> > That is not really the issue USA Games is facing. We are facing >> >> >> > an >> >> >> > issue >> >> >> > that is specific to developers of dotnet languages. Microsoft is >> >> >> > well >> >> >> > aware of the security problem, and their recommendation is >> simply to >> >> >> > put >> >> >> > out $1500 for a third party program that fixes the security >> >> >> > issues >> >> >> > involved. Typical Microsoft. >> >> >> > As I stated in an earlier post this security issue would allow a >> >> >> > cracker >> >> >> > to bypass processor ID checks, passwords, product keys, etc >> >> altogether. >> >> >> > So even though I can register to a specific processor the cracker >> >> could >> >> >> > in theory do a few things and get past that. So I am going to >> >> plug that >> >> >> > hole. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Neo wrote: >> >> >> >> Although I don't know how to do this myself as I am doubtfully a >> >> >> >> programmer, >> >> >> >> the safest security measure against piracy is certainly to >> base the >> >> >> >> registration code on the user's motherboard ID. >> >> >> >> This shall help solve your problems, that is if I understand >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> correctly >> >> >> >> that your major problem is to find out a reliable and >> well-working >> >> >> >> anti-piracy solution? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Lukas >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> From: "will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:14 AM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> hi >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> why not just release what you have, by using a system like GMA >> >> >> >>> tank >> >> >> >>> commander >> >> >> >>> have a user ID code on the computer, and then that way the game >> >> will >> >> >> >>> only >> >> >> >>> work on one machine i.e. the one machine the game is installed >> >> on in >> >> >> >>> full >> >> >> >>> version mode at any one time >> >> >> >>> if the game is practically complete i'd just release what >> you have >> >> >> >>> people always tend to find ways round piracy these days even >> with >> >> >> >>> mainstream >> >> >> >>> software, and to be honest if it practically complete i'd just >> >> >> release >> >> >> >>> it. >> >> >> >>> The true loyal followers of the community and of your company >> >> like me >> >> >> >>> for >> >> >> >>> instance, will payf or the title in an honest way >> >> >> >>> regards, will >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >>> From: "matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:42 AM >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>> That is bad news. I must commend you though for being a game >> >> creator >> >> >> >>>> who >> >> >> >>>> comes out and says when something is going wrong. I do not >> >> >> >>>> mean >> >> >> >>>> anything >> >> >> >>>> bad >> >> >> >>>> about anyone else just saying that is a cool thing to say. >> I wish >> >> >> you >> >> >> >>>> the >> >> >> >>>> best of luck in fixing the problem. Later, Matt >> >> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >>>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:25 PM >> >> >> >>>> Subject: audyssey: USA Games news. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> USA Games News >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> 2/20/2006 >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> STFC Release in Doubt >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> Greetings gamers, >> >> >> >>>>> We at USA Games have some good and bad news for our fans of >> >> >> STFC. The >> >> >> >>>>> good news the game is practically complete and is pretty >> >> >> reliable. The >> >> >> >>>>> bad news is that recently we have discovered some security >> >> >> issues with >> >> >> >>>>> the product which is of grave concern to me inparticular. As >> >> >> >>>>> a >> >> >> result >> >> >> >>>>> this security issue could set development back for months, >> >> >> >>>>> and >> >> >> at the >> >> >> >>>>> least a few weeks. >> >> >> >>>>> Unfortunately, the nature of the issue forces USA Games to >> >> >> >>>>> choose >> >> >> >>>>> between two options. the first option is to pay a quite a >> sum of >> >> >> money >> >> >> >>>>> to purchase licenses for pro grade security applications. The >> >> >> >>>>> second >> >> >> >>>>> option USA Games rewrites STFC in a language in which this >> >> security >> >> >> >>>>> hole >> >> >> >>>>> is not a factor. As USA Games does not currently have the >> >> funds for >> >> >> >>>>> the >> >> >> >>>>> former choice it will likely come down to the second choice. >> >> >> However, >> >> >> >>>>> after just completing the game I am not in any mood to start >> >> >> over and >> >> >> >>>>> port the current game to something new. >> >> >> >>>>> As a result of this security discovery USA Games is haulting >> >> >> >>>>> production >> >> >> >>>>> on all of our titles until a suitable security can be >> >> devised. It >> >> >> >>>>> is >> >> >> >>>>> possible some projects may have to be rewritten from scratch, >> >> or at >> >> >> >>>>> the >> >> >> >>>>> very least wait until USA Games has enough funds to complete >> >> >> >>>>> them >> >> >> >>>>> using >> >> >> >>>>> pro grade security software. >> >> >> >>>>> I hope that in the future USA Games will be able to bring >> >> >> >>>>> some >> >> >> >>>>> truly >> >> >> >>>>> awesome titles to you all, but for the time being we will be >> >> >> returning >> >> >> >>>>> to research and experiment. 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