We use methyl hydrate here to deice gas lines. Atmospheric moisture condenses 
in a cold fuel tank and the water, being heavier than gasoline ends up in the 
fuel lines. If there is a low point in the line and enough water collects it 
can freeze and block the fuel line.

A gallon of methyl hydrate comes pretty cheap.

It seems to me though that diesel would be a much better long term choice for 
operating generators. Not nearly so explosive and you can store loads of it for 
nearly ever.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max Robinson 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Generator Grounding & Usage


  Be ware of this advice. Rubbing alcohol is about 50 percent water. You 
  don't want to add water to your gas.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bob Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[email protected]>
  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Generator Grounding & Usage

  > The only problem with filling the gas cans during a power outage is their 
  > pumps run on the electricity that is off. But keep the 2 full and to keep 
  > them from going bad, drop a couple tablespoons of rubbing alcohol into the 
  > cans and shake them around a little to mix it with the gas. That will 
  > keep the gas from going bad. You can buy the name brand stuff like 
  > Sta-bil or whatever it is, but it costs a lot more and will not do 
  > anything rubbing alcohol won't do. Take a sniff of it and you'll know 
  > they are using the same thing...
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Edward Przybylek
  > To: [email protected]
  > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:50 AM
  > Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Generator Grounding & Usage
  >
  >
  > Hi Dale,
  >
  > Thanks for getting back to me. There's no reason the generator shouldn't 
  > be
  > grounded. It's just one more wire I need to run each time the generator 
  > is
  > fired up. I guess it's just my lazy side showing itself.
  >
  > My brother-in-law expressed concerns about a fridge or freezer having
  > problems when powered by a generator. He said he'd heard of a number of
  > people who damaged appliances as a result of using a generator to power
  > them. Not wishing to ruin any of my appliances, I thought I'd ask the 
  > group
  > and see if anyone had some thoughts or opinions about my brother-in-law's
  > concerns. From the posts in response to my questions, it doesn't seem to 
  > be
  > an issue and something I won't worry about.
  >
  > I bought the 9000 watt unit because of the number of appliances I run 
  > from
  > the generator during a power outage. Typically, the generator powers two
  > refridgerators, a freezer, my furnace, a sump pump and a few other small
  > items. Not knowing the exact output I need to run all these items, I 
  > simply
  > went for bigger is always better than not enough with a smaller unit.
  >
  > The generator is a gasoline powered unit. The tank is 6.5 gallons and the
  > manual says this will keep the generator running 10 to 12 hours when 
  > under a
  > normal load, whatever that means. I usually keep 2 five gallon containers
  > of gas in my garage. There are a number of gas stations close to my house
  > so refilling them during an outage shouldn't be a problem.
  >
  > Take care,
  > Ed
  >
  >
  > _____
  >
  > From: [email protected] 
  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
  > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:55 AM
  > To: [email protected]
  > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Generator Grounding & Usage
  >
  > I don't know of any reason why a generator shouldn't be grounded, it is 
  > the
  > safe thing to do.
  >
  > Don't know either why a fridge or freezer would have a problem, there is 
  > a
  > high demand as the compressor kicks in to start the fridge but with a 
  > unit
  > that size and allowing that it would soon pick up I don't see any reason 
  > for
  > such a problem. Might trip a breaker I suppose if the generator didn't 
  > make
  > up the demand long enough.
  >
  > That is a pretty substantial power plant you have there. Is it diesel? It
  > will use a fair amount of fuel when running, how much do you keep about 
  > the
  > place? Just curious.
  >
  > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Edward Przybylek
  > To: BlindHandyMan
  > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:23 AM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Generator Grounding & Usage
  >
  > Hi all,
  >
  > I just replaced a 4000 watt generator with a 9000 watt machine. Many 
  > people
  > have told me to ground a generator when it's in use. I never grounded the
  > 4000 watt machine and never had a problem. On the new machine, however,
  > there is a *very* prominent lug for attaching a ground wire. Is this one 
  > of
  > those overkill precautions or something I should really use for whatever
  > reason?
  >
  > My brother-in-law, a heating and cooling contractor from upstate New 
  > York,
  > also told me it's not a good idea to run freezers and refrigerators on a
  > generator. He claims he's run into a number of situations where people 
  > have
  > blown these units as a result of a spike in the generator output. If this
  > is true, then I'm wondering why own a generator? Is there any truth to
  > this? Have any of you ever run into such a problem? As always, any
  > information greatly appreciated.
  >
  > Take care,
  > Ed Przybylek
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