the only reason I suggested the metal is that Larry is a metals guy. :)

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Dale Leavens wrote:

> I've done that too but a block of wood is easier to place and stays put 
> leaving that hand free to help guide..
>
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>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: David W Wood
>  To: [email protected]
>  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:33 AM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Starting long screws straight
>
>
>  A simple way is to use a simple 90 degree angle bracket, about an inch wide
>  with, say, 2 inch leaves.
>
>  if you place this on the surface of the work piece, then you can use it to
>  true the drill bit by firming it into the concave angle of the bracket.
>  simple, rough but effective.
>
>  David
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: <[email protected]>
>  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:09 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Starting long screws straight
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>  > Larry,
>  >
>  > First, 3 inch screws are too long for holding down a plywood deck. even 2
>  > inch is probably a little too long.
>  >
>  > The screws won't pull the plywood laterally. If the sheet is down on the
>  > joist you can drive the screw at any angle pretty well, it will bridge the
>  > interface where the sheet meets the joist but because they are in contact
>  > the screw will only hold them together at that point. I sometimes very
>  > deliberately run screws or more often nails at opposite angles to each
>  > other so they spread in direction to make them a way more difficult to
>  > pull apart. No matter how you pull at least one will not be pulling out
>  > straight.
>  >
>  > In general though you will go pretty straight just by holding the screw or
>  > the drill bit and judging vertical. Going a little sideways might run the
>  > screw out through one side or other of the joist and this would reduce
>  > strength a little and isn't so pretty. I don't see that so much with
>  > screws but quite often see it where builders drive nails crooked like
>  > that.
>  >
>  > Now one solution I have used in the past where really square alignment
>  > matters is to take a piece of timber and cut a slight groove in it
>  > perpendicular to the surface I will place against the flat surface. It
>  > must be thick enough to guide but thin enough to allow the drill or screw
>  > to get well into the surface. Just place the block with the groove ending
>  > where you want the hole or screw then line the drill resting just in the
>  > groove and drill it in. If there is three inches of drill exposed and the
>  > groove is across the edge of a block of 2 by stock you will be in an inch
>  > and a half before the chuck contacts the block, just slide the block away
>  > and continue on down to the end of your three inches.
>  >
>  > Hope this is helpful.
>  >
>  > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: Larry Stansifer
>  > To: [email protected]
>  > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:22 AM
>  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Starting long screws straight
>  >
>  >
>  > Well guys, the subject line pretty much says it all.
>  > I need some ideas on how to start all of these screws straight. Working
>  > with
>  > metal, I can't ever remember having to place fasteners every 16" on
>  > center
>  > at 1 foot intervals. My guess is if you don't get that screw or pilot
>  > hole
>  > damn close to straight it will tweak the work out of square.
>  > This begs the question, how does a blind guy drill about a bazillion
>  > straight pilot holes? When working in metal I can usually take the work
>  > over
>  > to the drill-press or if I need to mount something to a frame, I can fab
>  > a
>  > guide up for that special task. None of the drill fixtures or jigs I have
>  > built previously would work for a drilling and fastening project of this
>  > size.
>  > In our next chapter boys&girls we are going to find out how a blind guy
>  > who
>  > can hardly spell wood goes about choosing material, so stay tuned.
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