When it comes to soldering, I prefer to use the paste. There is a product from 
Lowes that I get and it cuts out the solder, because it's already got it in it, 
along with the flux. You clean the pipe, apply this stuff which comes in a 12 
or 14    cc syringe (don't remember the size at the moment), heat with the 
torch, then let it cool and it's done. It's about $3.50 for it, but it is much 
easier to work with. I've used the flux and fed solder, but I've only done it 
once. And I found out that flux and me don't get along too well. It's the acid 
coming in contact with skin thing. The main question was about how you get the 
flame where it's supposed to be and that has been answered.

  Shane

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dale Leavens 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] soldering questions


  Hello Shane,

  It takes practice. There are a few ways that I use.

  1) gently advance the tip of the torch to the pipe and use it to feel your 
way to the seam of the joint then withdraw it an inch or so. Take care, it will 
sometimes put the flame out. As you withdraw the torch you should hear a slight 
deepening of the sound when the hot point of the flame is about on the pipe. Of 
course if possible you want that right on the junction but close will do. You 
should also wash the flame over the area and actually around the joint to 
insure even heating.

  2) You might take a length of thin tube or steel long enough to use as a 
probe in the other hand so you can feel the end of the torch and the seam of 
the joint. This can be pretty tricky and you don't want to be robbing too much 
heat from the joint. The rod or tube will get hot pretty quickly as well, one 
advantage to thin tube is that it won't absorb heat so well and it cools more 
quickly. Again you should be able to hear a change in the sound of the flame as 
it centers on the work, use that.

  It can be very helpful if you can arrange things so that the arm operating 
the torch can be supported or braced against something to help refine your 
control and relative positioning of the torch.This can also be helpful for the 
arm controlling the solder as well, can make locating the seam with the solder 
more efficient and quick. When the pipe is hot enough to melt the solder it 
doesn't stay that way very long.

  Hope this helps.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shane Hecker 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:32 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] soldering questions

  When it comes to soldering, how do you know when you have the flame on the 
  right place? It's not that I can't solder. The problem I have is keeping the 
  flame on the spot where I want it, or I'll completely miss the spot 
  entirely. Not talking about wires here, we're talking copper pipes.

  Shane 

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