maybe raising the ballcock, or the shut off level may help. I recently 
found that the inside aworkings allow for the 5 position adjustment for 
not only how far it fills, but when the flapper drops down again to shut 
it off from the bowl.




On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Dale Leavens wrote:

> Scott,
>
> You have a constriction somewhere. Either something blocking the drain 
> probably quite near the toilet or there is something blocking the vent or 
> there is insufficient quantity or flow from the tank.
>
> A North American toilet uses the siphon effect in the trap. that is, the 
> bottom of the toilet bowl is lower, there is an 'S' bend so the water and 
> debris must climb up hill over the top of the bend before it descends down 
> and through the hole in the floor and on to the drain. The water must fill 
> the entire trap so, when it falls down the far side it creates a pull which 
> empties the bowl making that strong gurgle/sucking sucking sound. If it 
> cannot descend quickly enough or if you don't dump enough of a flood to raise 
> the level rapidly enough or if a blockage slows the flow then you won't get 
> that sucking vacuum to draw the bowl down and it's contents.
>
> A big bucket full will often raise the level in the bowl quickly enough to 
> operate the siphon well.
>
> Check your tank, that the flapper opens fully and that the tank has filled 
> fully enough that a good gush can run into the bowl. Then check out your 
> drain and finally check out the vent.
>
> If a bucket full drives the contents down as it should then the trouble is 
> probably insufficient flush.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Scott Howell
>  To: [email protected]
>  Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:18 AM
>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Woes of waste - the crapper crisis
>
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>
>  Ok, now there's a subject line that grabbed your attention. <smily>
>  Here's the deal and no it isn't a crisis as far as an emergency, but
>  it will eventually have a greater affect on my water usage, which of
>  course affects the bill. Let me see if I can explain the problem as
>  concisely as best I can.
>  This is a name-brand ttwelet, which doesn't matter perhaps, but just
>  want to point out that this isn't the super cheap model and this was
>  installed by a previous owner. WIth all that said here is what the
>  issue is.
>  It seems to take sometimes two or three flushes to get all the
>  contents down the line as it were. It never fills to a point where it
>  will overflow, but what seems to happen is as the contents go down the
>  drain, you don't get the normal sound a twelet makes at the end of the
>  flush cycle. It doesn't do anything and a repeated flush will
>  eventually produce that sound of successful flush cycle. In addition,
>  once the twelet fills, and the valve closes, it sounds as though water
>  is running out of the twelet. To further explain this point, it is as
>  though once it stops filling, water is leaking internally out of the
>  bowl as though water is leaving the trap. THe closest sound that might
>  help make this point is when a tworlet is clogged, fills, and you hear
>  water trickling through the trap, it is sort of like that sound. Now
>  to further carry this point, if I poor water into the bowl, I can
>  cause the same sound and what I have been told is that it is possible
>  there is a defect in the trap. THis defect could actually be causing
>  two issues. One the sound of the water flowing through the trap that
>  normally would be very hard to hear is easier to hear because of the
>  defect and this defect could also cause contents to have difficulty
>  moving through the trap. SO, I guess my question is does that make
>  sense? Sounds reasonable, but I'd like to get some other opinions
>  before I go out and replace this thing. I would not consider replacing
>  it since there is nothing wrong with it, but the fact that at times it
>  takes two to three flushes for proper operation, it will in time
>  become an expense. Any thoughts appreciated.
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