Well first I agree a flapper is cheap, got spares and that  
unfortunately isn't it and I wish it were. I have pvc pipes and on a  
city system. I'm going to get into this issue later this week when I  
have a little more time and can really deal with it instead of trying  
this and that over a multi-day period.

tnx,
On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Bob Kennedy wrote:

>
>
> The noise you are hearing is probably the flapper valve located in  
> the tank. If they get moldy or brittle, they won't seal like normal  
> and you can hear water draining through. That is about a $10 fix,  
> and I'd definitely not get rid of the toilet for that reason.
>
> As for the problem flushing, it is more likely a pipe problem than  
> toilet. The toilet is sitting at the end of either a 3 or 4 inch  
> line. What is down that line may be your problem. Especially if you  
> have cast iron or even worse, clay pipes.
>
> Do you have any idea if you have PVC or what kind of pipes you do  
> have? Are you on septic or city sewer? These can all have effects on  
> how the toilet works.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Howell
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:18 AM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Woes of waste - the crapper crisis
>
> Ok, now there's a subject line that grabbed your attention. <smily>
> Here's the deal and no it isn't a crisis as far as an emergency, but
> it will eventually have a greater affect on my water usage, which of
> course affects the bill. Let me see if I can explain the problem as
> concisely as best I can.
> This is a name-brand ttwelet, which doesn't matter perhaps, but just
> want to point out that this isn't the super cheap model and this was
> installed by a previous owner. WIth all that said here is what the
> issue is.
> It seems to take sometimes two or three flushes to get all the
> contents down the line as it were. It never fills to a point where it
> will overflow, but what seems to happen is as the contents go down the
> drain, you don't get the normal sound a twelet makes at the end of the
> flush cycle. It doesn't do anything and a repeated flush will
> eventually produce that sound of successful flush cycle. In addition,
> once the twelet fills, and the valve closes, it sounds as though water
> is running out of the twelet. To further explain this point, it is as
> though once it stops filling, water is leaking internally out of the
> bowl as though water is leaving the trap. THe closest sound that might
> help make this point is when a tworlet is clogged, fills, and you hear
> water trickling through the trap, it is sort of like that sound. Now
> to further carry this point, if I poor water into the bowl, I can
> cause the same sound and what I have been told is that it is possible
> there is a defect in the trap. THis defect could actually be causing
> two issues. One the sound of the water flowing through the trap that
> normally would be very hard to hear is easier to hear because of the
> defect and this defect could also cause contents to have difficulty
> moving through the trap. SO, I guess my question is does that make
> sense? Sounds reasonable, but I'd like to get some other opinions
> before I go out and replace this thing. I would not consider replacing
> it since there is nothing wrong with it, but the fact that at times it
> takes two to three flushes for proper operation, it will in time
> become an expense. Any thoughts appreciated.
>
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