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Today's topics: * redirected from main grp for discussion - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/ef26a0cc57e95088 * rights of chapters - 7 messages, 3 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/ca0447823c508749 * CAN ANY ONE CONTRIBUTE MORE TO A CAUSE BY REMAINING CELIBATE - 2 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/b68b2bd0fa8d5263 * Looking for IT geeks - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/166d4176576dad06 * Fwd: RE: [India-Force] Indian Judicial system (Indian system at large) - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/2e40d2003d36b77 ============================================================================== TOPIC: redirected from main grp for discussion http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/ef26a0cc57e95088 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 5:33 pm From: Moderator BhartUdayMission *Please send all such mails only to BM Discussion group in future.* ** ******************************************************************* *From:* shashwat pandey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Subject:* Corruption free India :- Just a dream Corruption Free India ? this question mark is quit big, with 80% houses in Indian capital illegal, is this possible? Millions of innocent people in jail for no reason, is this possible? This list is endless... but the answer to this question is YES. A big YES. to realizes this dream we need just one constitutional amendment, not like the one done recently (104th amendment), if GOI can make politics as a carrier for indian youth India can be corruption free, YES, India can be a corruption free state What is the state of politics today? Today we see all criminals want to join politics, we have seen so many cold blooded murderers in Lok Sabha, and solution to this is 1. Anyone fighting for L.S election must be a graduate. 2. There should be a pre-test for everyone who is filing nomination for L.S, this should be an online test conducted at all the places together, and questions should be regarding India (History of India, Where India stands in world today etc) each applicant must give a write-up about Indian foreign policy, internal problems like naxel / terrorism problem etc and IQ test. 3. These result should be made public and along with candidates criminal record this info must be present in the election booth, so that people before voting must know whom are they voting for. Time given for voters inside the polling booth should be more; details of all the candidates must be made available to voters at the polling stations itself. 4. Any professional who wants to take up politics as a carries must be given salary by GOI. This will enable people to work for the country along with enabling them to fulfill their family responsibilities. Otherwise there will not be any good brain in national decision making domain, who are the people today in highest decision making body some-one like Natwar Singh was also a part of CCS. People like Lalu Yadav talks about Indian railways going upto STM-64 bandwidth, I doubt if there was anyone including Lalu himself in L.S who might have understood what it meant. Today we need technical / Managerial people in politics, since these people have not been able to bring about any change in India in the last 57 yrs there is no scope that they can do it in coming 60 yrs as well, whatever India has archived it is because of its people, entrepreneurs like Naryanmurty, Dhirubhai Ambani, Azim premji and like, defiantly not because of Sonia Manio or Pramod Mahajan etc. Only if politics is free from corruption India will be free of corruption. And this is very much possible, if young people who are passing out from colleges and universities join main stream politics and bring about a change in India. India can become a corruption free state. Regards Shashwat Pandey http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211 ******************************************************************** *From:* promodchawla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Subject:* Amazing Friends, Without prejudice - just Think about it - how with open eyes we are being made a fool of for too long by our Sarkar & Sarkaris on: 1 Quattrocchi 2 Bofors pay offs 3 Bhopal - justice yet to happen to my suffering brethern. 4 Uphaar tragedy - right in the heart of South Delhi. How will it all stop? - Only thru your, mine, our intervention, voice & wake up call. GenNext is the forum which must raise their voice. Like never before. observations cum submission - promod == 2 of 2 == Date: Wed, Jan 18 2006 12:35 pm From: Ranjan Singh Hi, When we talk about corruption we must be clear what we mean by it. It seems one of the vaguest term under discussion. If "80% houses in Indian capital are illegal" it definitely indicates that something other than corruption is the root cause. Either we assume that 80% of the population are corrupt or we assume that corruption has become necessary for survival. In case of former we are left with no option but we will have to live with corruption and should stop abusing corrupts. It is one of the common misconceptions that corruption is the root cause behind underdeveloped India. If you look closely, the opposite is also equally true that "Underdeveloped India is root cause behind corruption" So we need to look at corruption from a broader perspective. Mass scale corruption is just an indicator. It is like fever which tells that some illness is there but does not tell anything about the illness. To know what that illness is, you need to investigate further. We should and we must try to know why majority of population choose to be corrupt. Any effort to check corruption are futile specially when its a matter of survival. Go and take the reins of governance from those who are inefficient and fearful. Bring prosperity and corruption will evaporate like it never existed. I am sure majority of people will choose not to be corrupt in a prosperous India even without any checks. So, all our dreams ultimately converges to a prosperous India. "if GOI can make politics as a carrier for indian youth India can be corruption free" I don't know what led you to this naive assumption. Our IAS and IPS officers are selected by a process more or less similar to what you have suggested and all of them belong to youth. But, the history tells that they are no less corrupt than our politicians. In fact, if our IPS and IAS choose not to be corrupt than it will be very difficult for a politician to be corrupt. I can't understand how loving your motherland could be a career, a profession. Either you love your motherland (irrespective of your profession) or not. You can't say that I love my India professionally. Will you agree that Gandhi, Subhash and all others fought freedom struggle because it was their profession otherwise they hadn't fought for it. Politics is not a profession. But yes, we need young, energetic and courageous task force of efficient professionals to reconstruct our India. With Regards, Ranjan ============================================================================== TOPIC: rights of chapters http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/ca0447823c508749 ============================================================================== == 1 of 7 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 12:05 pm From: "kanika" u r absolutely right,only I was a bit confused ,is there any thing we need to tak permission abt in the workin of our local activities? == 2 of 7 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 12:06 pm From: "kanika" u r absolutely right,only I was a bit confused ,is there any thing we need to tak permission abt in the workin of our local activities? == 3 of 7 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 8:34 pm From: Moderator BhartUdayMission Dear Members, No one need any permission for doing anything in interest of BM. Since we are growing and there are things which needs be streamlined like policy for raising finances and its distribution, legal issues arising at time and again. We need policy research team at central level, becuase that is not Chapter specific. We need ground work team at central level to have better information flow among chapters. Its members will are also supposed to lead by example. We need people for developing website at central level and we also need people who work for propogation and give ideas about propogation to local chapters. We also need people at central for literature development. People at central level and local level are not different. Some are more active at local ground level and some are more active on net for better information flow. We think that there is space for all. Local chapter can have teams and responsibilities as per their needs. Thanks and Regards, Moderators On 1/17/06, kanika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > u r absolutely right,only I was a bit confused ,is there any thing we > need to tak permission abt in the workin of our local activities? > > == 4 of 7 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 8:29 am From: "amit hargude" dear moderators, i think we are too less in number to have a central team right now. what help can the central team give to the local chapter, as far as the present day goes the members of th local chapters should manage it themselves as we are very less in number. situations are different in different places w.r.t. propagation. '''wat holds water in chennai would not hold water in mumbai''', the people, the method and mindset is different in different place, then how can central team help for it. plz explain me the work of ground work team as in wat help can this team give to the local chapters as the situation here is same as in with propagation team. well these are some obvious points which i would like to raise in front of the moderators. regards amit hargude == 5 of 7 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 6:02 pm From: "kanika" Dear amit, I think that the central team right now may mean little for guiding local chapters b'cos of reasons u gave but it might definitely help by growing on feed of experience provided by local chapters and for organising any NATIONAL EVENT as we are growing towards it everyday,and after all 1 day we r going to have a central team. Having a central team with a VERY VERY few rights above local chapters might help to strenghten the mission as a whole,b'cos as u said that mindset is diff. in diff. chapters,then it might grow TOO DIFFERENT in absolute freedom. I think that central team is important for preventig any deviation frm our policies. == 6 of 7 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 6:03 pm From: "kanika" Dear amit, I think that the central team right now may mean little for guiding local chapters b'cos of reasons u gave but it might definitely help by growing on feed of experience provided by local chapters and for organising any NATIONAL EVENT as we are growing towards it everyday,and after all 1 day we r going to have a central team. Having a central team with a VERY VERY few rights above local chapters might help to strenghten the mission as a whole,b'cos as u said that mindset is diff. in diff. chapters,then it might grow TOO DIFFERENT in absolute freedom. I think that central team is important for preventig any deviation frm our policies. == 7 of 7 == Date: Wed, Jan 18 2006 3:38 am From: "amit hargude" dear kanika, having a national team with a VERY VERY few rights seems to be a bit immaterial if thought practically. if there is hardly any use of it then why to have it, why to waste time on it? and the other concern of urs of the local chapters heading in a different way because of absolute freedom is a bit imaginary, coz wat ever work they are doin, is directly serving the nation, and serving for the country is included in our policy. and talking about the mindset, in my previous mail, i was mentioning about the propagation team at national level, not the work done by the local chapters. in BM we are here for same 'lakshya' but the method of work or situations is different at different place. hence watever we are doing in mumbai cant be done at banglore as things are totally different over there. and about the national event, we have already held the national convention without having a national team. so as far as present day goes we dont need any national structure. regards amit hargude ============================================================================== TOPIC: CAN ANY ONE CONTRIBUTE MORE TO A CAUSE BY REMAINING CELIBATE http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/b68b2bd0fa8d5263 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 12:12 pm From: "kanika" I never said BM is promoting celibecy,but I said that it might heat up fickle minded people,I just meant that if it is kept a secret,than it'll really b able to show its good effects in full bloom,making better example. == 2 of 2 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 12:13 pm From: "kanika" I never said BM is promoting celibecy,but I said that it might heat up fickle minded people,I just meant that if it is kept a secret,than it'll really b able to show its good effects in full bloom,making better example. ============================================================================== TOPIC: Looking for IT geeks http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/166d4176576dad06 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Tues, Jan 17 2006 8:08 pm From: Raghav Mittal ============================================================================== TOPIC: Fwd: RE: [India-Force] Indian Judicial system (Indian system at large) http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/2e40d2003d36b77 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Jan 18 2006 4:06 am From: shashwat pandey Dear BM Members, A good discussion was going on, on a different platform about current Indian political and judicial state. I am attaching that mail below, hope more of us are able to mobilize more and more people from their area's so that we can achieve our target in coming days. Regards Shashwat Pandey From: "Ramakrishna Chitrapu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [India-Force] Indian Judicial system (Indian system at large) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:49:50 +0000 Dear Mr Shashwat, I also belong to your category.. unable to withstand this family worship.It was after Nehru who? Then Indira is India. Then Rajiv the cleanest PM ..Then Sonia is the King Maker. Why you Stop with Rahul.. Priyanak's son is also there... Some years ago Sekhar Suman said.. Nanna Munna Congress.If you contest from my area my vote is 100%yours. All the best. Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:58:43 -0800 (PST) From: "shashwat pandey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Subject: RE: [India-Force] Indian Judicial system (Indian system at large) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr Chitrapu, My intentions are to get rid of political evils from India, I am very much sure there is no democracy in India, all political parties are one, there is no difference between them, people in politics believe that they are too great, today's political people believe that they are from a different class, and common man is of a lower class, no law is applied on political people, there has never been any conviction by court of any political person. This clearly indicates that India has different rules for different class of people. There is no justice in India for Indians. if we let this go as it is going we may be able to survive but our next generation will not be able to survive as in India next generation politicians are son's and daughters of current politicians, we have people like ajit jogi, natwar singh and sonia gandhi who feel that governance is their birth right. Rahul Gandhi is project as next Indian leader, well hardly he has stayed in India, has a brazilin girl friend, god knows she might also become next minister. Who is going to stop all this nonsense? I have decided that I will, and since India is a democratic country I will fight election, I cannot form government alone, I need each and every Indian to support, so that we are able to free India from the hands of people who are willing to sell India for their personal gain's. I need some expert advice about how to start with this, by profession I am a telecom software programmer. Regards Shashwat Pandey --- Ramakrishna Chitrapu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --------------------------------- Dear Mr.Shashwat, I welcome your suggestion. But I do not undersatand what you are trying to say. You mean to say that . Do you mean to say that any one who can give up his present profession and take up politics have the right to do what they like. It is said Politics is the last refuse of the Scoundrels. How aptly it fits into India Society ? Tak e it from the Vultures of Political Parties will not allow any new party to come up.. What is required is not a new political party but change in the thinking of the public. Do not vote for the party. Vote for the Party. Make your representatives deliver. Best wishes All wealth belongs to the Divine;and those who hold it are merely its trustees-Sri Aurobindo. Supreme Happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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