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Today's topics: * Campaign - Back to books! - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/69684d020ece95b8 * good bye gopal - 3 messages, 3 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f0afef5ca2e07bc5 * MITTAL v/s EUROPE!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9323b5da586e42f3 * GM Watch Warning: India next target of GM crops. - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f2f89b136d859de2 * Open public letter to The Hon'ble Minister of Health, India. - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/bcaa8b72d813144a * Introductions(13/02/2006) - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/43ef19a230a3a5c6 * BM in India Today(Hindi) - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/b45a22916c69c76f ============================================================================== TOPIC: Campaign - Back to books! http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/69684d020ece95b8 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Tues, Feb 14 2006 2:53 pm From: Mukesh Bansal Dear Friends, Namaskar! I would need your views on this. If BM can take up this task, it would have a lot of good impact on society. People do care about what IIT/IIM guys tell them. I think BM (central team as well as chapters) can take up the task of developing reading habit among Indians. There may not be two opinions about the usefulness of books in opening our minds, but unfortunately reading habit has reduced a lot especially after the advent of television. Another purpose of this task may be to develop the literature in Indian languages. Books in Indian languages are not available everywhere, while the books in English language are largely available everywhere. To develop reading habit in Indians, we have to make the books available in their own language (Fact: Less than 5% Indians can understand English). One more purpose that can be fulfilled through this campaign is to create awareness about environmental issues, and motivate literacy campaigns. What we can do (Raw Ideas): 1. Start a group/society affiliated to BM, that will start small libraries througout India. 2. Each chapter will be encouraged to start one or more libraries in their locality. 3. The members of libraries will spend 2-4 hours per week for Shram-Daan to raise money in order to purchase books for their library. Some ideas of Shram-Daan: Develop websites in Indian languages (Using Unicode), Prepare paper bags with newspapers, teaching youngsters/adults - basic literacy/mathematic/computer etc. 4. The central society may send some money to libraries if they are indulged in voluntary service without monetory gains. 5. All these libraries will be linked together, and will be available on internet. The members may search for a book in all libraries and may raise request for a book of his choice on internet. (This will ensure that people will have access to a bigger set of books - they are not limited to their own small library). We may rank the libraries as per following criteria: 1. 100+ books with >90% books in Indian language - Gyan Nidhi 'K' 2. 100+ books with >50% books in Indian language - Gyan Nidhi 'Kha' 3. 100+ books with <50% books in Indian language - Gyan Nidhi 'Ga' -- "We have only one passion, The rise of a great nation." Shubham Mukesh Bansal ============================================================================== TOPIC: good bye gopal http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f0afef5ca2e07bc5 ============================================================================== == 1 of 3 == Date: Tues, Feb 14 2006 6:06 am From: "amit hargude" dear moderators, plz come up with a convincing story as this is just not done. i had confirmed it 2wice with 1 of the moderators and still this. if u want i can produce a proof of my conversation with the moderator, the moderator had also said that the publication was important for bm and also the moderators had a choice to avoid the name issue, but it was not done. is any member above any rule?.....even gopal once said to me that rules r rules regarding this topic and i have a proof of it. and plz take this issue as a third persons point of view. and the founder should lead by example. if think u have not broken any rule then i think it is manipulated regards amit hargude == 2 of 3 == Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 11:26 am From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A CLARIFICATION This is with regard to the India Today article. The correspondents had come from Lucknow to the campus in just one day's notice. Before letting them have the interview Gopal and others had pleaded several times not to publish any names or any references whatsoever. But the correspondents said that we cannot do this because we need a proof of the credibility of our news. Compared to other newspapers this is perhaps justified because an article finding a place in a magazine like India Today should be credible enough and above all, verifiable. They said that we need at least one name, and by unanimous decision Gopal's name was chosen. If people here were so hungry of getting their names publicised then everyone could have given their names but none of Gopal's friends' names are there in the article. Even the caption of the photograph does not give their names. I was not present during the interview and even I was upset on hearing that Gopal's name would be published. But on hearing this story I feel that the whole thing was inevitable. In fact this was the date after which we warn Media people before they speak or ask anything else, that no names please. I hope, as an administration team representative of Kanpur Chapter I am clear about the issue. == 3 of 3 == Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 8:46 pm From: "Dr. N.S. REDDY" Dear Friends, We have a long way to go and at the same time many problems to be solved. Who ever the leader or who ever get Name is not matter, Our problem only one, that is "to Rise the Nation". If Gopal Name published in India Today is nothing wrong. Let it be yaar. Why we are discussing about it and spending our brains and energy? Let us leave this my dear young friends. I request you all people, let my mail will be final on this topic. CHEER UP FRIENDS. Now a days, I started speaking about BM to Many Professors, Software engineers and Postdocs from all over the world. Recently, I called an IITM professor, who is in Japan now. In a gathering of 12 or 15 people, two people know about our BM. IITM Professor told about our Mission too. I am visiting India on March 11th and I will be back to Korea on 15th April. Once, I come back, I will start to spread about BM further more. With best wishes and regards N. Subba Reddy. On 2/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A CLARIFICATION > > This is with regard to the India Today article. > The correspondents had come from Lucknow to the campus in just one > day's notice. Before letting them have the interview Gopal and others > had pleaded several times not to publish any names or any references > whatsoever. But the correspondents said that we cannot do this because > we need a proof of the credibility of our news. Compared to other > newspapers this is perhaps justified because an article finding a place > in a magazine like India Today should be credible enough and above all, > verifiable. > They said that we need at least one name, and by unanimous decision > Gopal's name was chosen. If people here were so hungry of getting their > names publicised then everyone could have given their names but none of > Gopal's friends' names are there in the article. Even the caption of > the photograph does not give their names. > I was not present during the interview and even I was upset on hearing > that Gopal's name would be published. But on hearing this story I feel > that the whole thing was inevitable. In fact this was the date after > which we warn Media people before they speak or ask anything else, that > no names please. > I hope, as an administration team representative of Kanpur Chapter I am > clear about the issue. > > -- Dr. Nagireddy gari Subba Reddy Department of Materials Science and Engineering Pohang University of Science and Technology San 31, Hyoja-dong, Pohang 790-784, Korea Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 82-54-279-5215 (O), 82-54-279-0768(H) FAX: 82-54-279-2399 ============================================================================== TOPIC: MITTAL v/s EUROPE!!!! http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9323b5da586e42f3 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Tues, Feb 14 2006 6:17 am From: "amit hargude" They ask us to open our markets to foreign investments. the advocate that free markets leads to healthy competition. they advice us to sell off infrastructure and utilities that seem insufficient, but all the above rules seems to reverse when players are interchanged. Lakshmi Mittal famous described as "WORLDS RICHEST NON-AMERICAN" has recently made a bid for his closest rival and european steel giant ARCELOR. not only did ARCELOR's boss Mr. Guy Dolle mentioned that Mittal was'nt one of us and he did'nt share their values. he said Mittal wants to buy ARCELOR with "MONNAIE DE SINGE" which literally translates into "MONKEY'S MONEY" the problem as Joel Ruet put it, is "THAT LAKSHMI MITTAL IS AN INDIAN, AND THAT INDIA WAS MORE REASSURING WHEN IT NOT AN NEW EMERGING POWER, EQUIPED WITH MULTINATIONALS ON THE MARCH" Moral of the story - WE ENTER YOUR MARKET, U STAY OUT OF OURS" REGARDS amit hargude mumbai. ============================================================================== TOPIC: GM Watch Warning: India next target of GM crops. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f2f89b136d859de2 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 1:13 am From: Jagannath Chatterjee Subject: GMW: India grist for U.S. mills/Bt cotton suicides will haunt planners From: "GM WATCH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:14:25 GMT GM WATCH daily http://www.gmwatch.org --- 1.Bt cotton suicides will haunt planners 2.Grist for the U.S. mills --- 1.Bt cotton suicides will haunt planners ...the Indian farmer must be taught about crop diversification, crop shifting and the effect of genetically developed seeds and fertilisers. The bitter experience of Bt cotton growers across the country and suicides by many of them will continue to haunt the planners. So, the farmers must be protected from the hype that surrounds new biotech seeds and fertilisersand educated about their compatibility to the Indian environment. [Sudhansu R. Das, Villagescope - Reviving the rural economy, BusinessLine, 14 February 2006 http://southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/127424/1/5339] --- 2.Grist for the US mills KP Prabhakaran Nair, (Down to Earth Feature) http://www.centralchronicle.com/20060214/1402302.htm The Indian media has a penchant for the sensational. Caught up in the scandals over former minister K Natwar Singh's Iraq liaisons and the surrender of Abu Salem, it paid short shrift to a landmark memorandum of understanding (MoU) that was signed between India and the US on November 12, 2005. The treaty will open up the country's most important public sector agricultural research establishments to private players from the US. It is a follow-up of what transpired between Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh and the US President George Bush, when the former visited the US in July 2005. The Indian Council of Agricultural Research - with a network of 47 national institutes, including four deemed universities - the New Delhi-based Indian Agricultural Research Institute, the National Dairy Research Institute in Karnal, Haryana, the Indian Veterinary Research Institute in Izatnagar, the Central Institute of Fisheries Education in Mumbai, 29 National Research Centres, 11 Project Directorates and 4 National Bureaus will now be open to US American private sector companies to "help identify research areas, that have the potential for rapid commercialisation." But will "rapid commercialisation" benefit the Indian farmer? It can, if there are appropriate policies and safeguards to protect poor farmers from trade-related shocks and other vagaries of commercialisation. But the country does not afford its farmers much security against the whims of the market. Lest we forget, not too far back, the BT cotton fiasco drove farmers to suicide in Andhra Pradesh and Vidarbha: there was no insurance umbrella to cover these agriculturists from financial loss. The treaty has other perils. It threatens to expose the country's bio wealth to the machinations of US-based corporates and research institutes. Agro-interests in the US have had designs on the country's bio-resources for quite some time now. In 1995, the medicine centre of the University of Michigan even managed to secure a US patent on certain therapeutic uses of turmeric. And then in 1997, a private agricultural company in the US patented basmati rice as "texmati". Such biopiracy happened clandestinely. But now it can take place with official sanction. The MoU to open up our agricultural research institutes to private players from the US will ensure exactly that. The treaty is a partnership between two unequal partners. American agriculture is highly mechanised and organised, energy intensive and market centric. Indian agriculture, in contrast, has been for millennia, a way of life for a vast majority of people in the country. This is the main reason why former agriculture minister, Nitish Kumar insisted on a "livelihood box" in the World Trade Organization's negotiations on opening up our agricultural sector. This would have given us an option to deny import of food items from the developed countries and protect the livelihoods of their farmers and the poor. And then former commerce minister, Murasoli Maran, also did a magnificent job of pushing for the livelihood box at the World Trade Organization's negotiations in Doha in 2003. But, nothing has ever been heard about this protective clause ever since. It is only the farm subsidies and tariff walls that are doing the rounds. The developing word did gain some minor concessions at the recent WTO ministerial in Hong Kong. But, it will not be until 2013 that the developed countries will have to phase out their agricultural export subsidies. One thing is very clear. What the US wants is a captive market for its farm goods. What better way then to achieve it than getting into the web of our own research and developmental activities? Indian farmers certainly deserve a much better deal. But, will it come out of the American purse? ------ "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ============================================================================== TOPIC: Open public letter to The Hon'ble Minister of Health, India. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/bcaa8b72d813144a ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 2:06 am From: Jagannath Chatterjee To: The Hon'ble Union Minister of Health & Family Welfare, Ministry of Health & Family Welfare, Government of India. cc: The Editor, The New Indian Express, India. Respected Sir, The epidemic of chronic diseases, as pointed out by your goodself recently in Pondicherry, is a cause for concern. Even with an annual budget of $3100 billion worldwide modern medicine feels that more funds are required to fight disease. Critics are now questioning why, despite tremendous "advances" in medical science and astronomical expenditure on health, humanity is in the throes of life threatening chronic illnesses. We think the public deserves some clear cut answers. In India the drug industry has an annual turnover of Rs. 23,000 crores. Similiar amounts are spent on the upkeep of hospitals and diagnostic clinics both in the public and private sector. The expenditure is slated to go up at the rate of 30 percent every year. The lure of profits and not the intention to heal has gripped the entire medical industry dubbed the "most corrupt industry in the world" by the Global Corruption Report 2006. Though the Hon'ble Finance Minister of India has desisted from imposing the health cess the same cannot be ruled out if corrective steps are not taken. What if the health sector itself is to partially blame for this spurt in chronic diseases? Statements by ayurveds and homeopaths all over the world, as well as critics of modern medicine and hapless patients, seem to imply the same. Reductionist medicine is taking its toll, they say, as modern doctors tend to treat the patients as machines rather than as human beings. Modern physics has long proved the holistic nature of the world but this does not reflect in the medical industry allege leading scientists of the world. Can India afford to remain complacent in the face of this danger? We stand to loose both healthwise and financially if the lopsided development in favour of modern medicine continues. As far back as 1940, health policy makers have warned that the Indian systems of medicine and homeopathy can be ignored only at our own peril. But 66 years have passed since then without the concerned officials paying significant heed to that warning. Sir, we would like to know how much out of the Rs. 50,000 crores promised by you towards health care reforms will go towards improving access to holistic methods of healing. We would also like to ask what became of the proposal to make available ayurveda and homeopathy at all public hospitals and also the proposal to hand over the primary health centres to qualified BHMS and BAMS doctors. Associations of holistic health care systems have asked for an allocation of 25% of the health budget as against the present 3% to six systems of healing; only 1.5% was however released the last year as pointed out by the Hon'ble CAG. They have also asked for better management of the holistic medical colleges, filling up of teaching staff vacancies, hospitals exclusively devoted to holistic methods in every district and naturopathy clinics in every village. If these thoroughly justified demands are met then with an improved health sector we can usher in a much better scenario of positive wellness and also reduce the exorbitant, unnecessary and unjustifiable health costs. We sincerely hope your goodself will listen to the voice of the people and initiate more proactive steps in this regard despite stiff opposition from the medical industry who seem more interested in warning the public about the "dangers of herbs and homeopathy" rather than developing permanent cures for chronic diseases.We have great faith in you Sir and we sincerely feel you will not let us down. Respectfully yours, Jagannath Chatterjee "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo. --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ============================================================================== TOPIC: Introductions(13/02/2006) http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/43ef19a230a3a5c6 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 6:15 pm From: Moderator BharatUdayMission Dear Surojitji, We appreciate your concern. We would like you to please join http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion group and make your concern known through that. The main group is meant for important things of BM concerning all members like announcements, introduction of new member. For details about criterions, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Organization/ and read file "Mail Moderation Crieteria". Thanks and Regards, Moderators -- "We have only one Passion The Rise of a Great Nation." www.bharatudaymission.org ==================Orginal Message================================= Hello All, I like all the enthusiasm we have here. But we should try to understand that to have a broad base we need to include people from all ranks in the society. What I mean is I would like to see participation from people in more varieties of professions. We should not get branded as an elitist organization. Important would be to identify people with solid economics, political science and policy backgrounds. Before deciding on policy we need to decide on our political compus, core principles. And it needs to be little more substanial and deeper than the files I've seen in the Yahoo group. Some questions. Are we a socialist party or do we believe that markets usually work and govt. should be limited to maintaining law and order and facilitating efficient markets? What are our ideas of the organization of the state? Is freedom most important to us or is it welfare of the masses? Too many times intellectuals have tried to do "good to society" and assumed that they know better than the masses and thus creating a centrally planned economy with heavy goverment intervention is the best. These efforts often failed. Worst example of this is of course communism. What's our belief on Liberty? (On this issue I would highly recommend interested group members to read Isaiah Berlin's "Two Concepts of Liberty".). What's our belief on Indian identity and culture? This is a serious issue. Amartya Sen touches very briefly on this in his latest book "The Argumentative Indian". He is coming up with a new book on Indian identity. We don't need to copy his ideas. But we need to think through this issue. Policy decisions would come from our fundamental beliefs on these (and many other) critical issues. Just blindly jumping into policy might result in creating bunch of conflicting policies that don't match with our beliefs. Discussions need to go beyond pure expression of exuberance and emotion. Learnings from the experience of developing and developed economies of last hundred years need to be closely looked at. Just my 2 cents. Best regards, Surojit Surojit Chatterjee ============================================================================== TOPIC: BM in India Today(Hindi) http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/b45a22916c69c76f ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Feb 15 2006 6:18 pm From: Moderator BharatUdayMission Dear Member, We appreciate your concern. We would like you to please join http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion and http://groups.google.com/group/BM_suggestion group and make your concern known through that. The main group is meant for important things of BM concerning all members like announcements, introduction of new member. For details about criterions, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bharatudaymission/files/Organization/ and read file "Mail Moderation Crieteria". Thanks and Regards, Moderators -- "We have only one Passion The Rise of a Great Nation." www.bharatudaymission.org =====================Original Message========================== *hi friends best luck* * yar mai bhi isa mission ke liye bhot tan man se kam karna chta hun but yar ye jo aap mail bhej rahe ho hindi men bhejo taki sabko smj men aaye hamri basha hindi hai or hum hindi samjte hai english ki wajhase samj nahi aata ye probleam mera hi nahi sabhi ka hai * *aap hindi men mai bhejenge to mere khyal bhot nawajwanoka apne mission ka matlab samj men aaye ga to palse aap hindi men bhejo * *modreter ji aap bhi hindi men hi bhejo* ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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