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Today's topics: * Left must apologise on Swami Ramdev issue - Pioneer Editorial. - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/345419b41f091bab * Complete Meditation Retreat on 19th March 2006, 9am to 1:30pm - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/bca132ae3dd716a * Discussion on Naxalisam and its impact. - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a044708275fc4bc8 * Idealism or Pragmatism - 4 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/cc02bd782625fae1 * Vaccination Scam : How the CDC is killing Indian children. - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/69dffaee624bc767 * Fwd: [bm]ATTENTION MEMBERS - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/84502ff28818d3fd ============================================================================== TOPIC: Left must apologise on Swami Ramdev issue - Pioneer Editorial. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/345419b41f091bab ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 2:33 am From: Jagannath Chatterjee Left must apologise The Pioneer Edit Desk http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=EDITS&file_name=edit2%2Etxt&counter_img=2 Readers would easily recall that the New Year began with an unholy diatribe launched by Communist Party of India (Marxist) member of the Rajya Sabha, Ms Brinda Karat, against one of the most revered yoga and ayurveda experts of contemporary India, Acharya Ram Dev, in which she accused his enterprise, Divya Yoga Pharmacy, of adulterating medical prescriptions with human and animal bones. For weeks thereafter, the Left-led chorus degenerated into calumny and worse, all of which was geared towards a single objective: To run the indigenous science of ayurveda and yoga down, and to proclaim its exponents and practitioners as a bunch of ill-informed, unscientific right-wing reactionaries. There was another subtext as well: If you want to guard your health, steer clear of such "charlatans". Not surprisingly, there were clashes between Left cadres and the followers of Acharya Ram Dev and the entire country erupted in protests since the people felt the Communists had affronted their belief in the time-honoured tradition of ayurveda. It must, therefore, have been to the considerable chagrin and embarrassment of the Leftists that, far from witnessing a swelling of their ranks in their charge against the indigenous system of medicine as they might have expected, even the Central Government that depends on their support for survival, thought it fit to call their bluff by insisting that Acharya Ram Dev's ashram conformed to good laboratory practices. Now, test results at the Delhi-based Sri Ram Institute of Industrial Research as well as Uttaranchal Government recognised institute at Hardwar have established the point beyond all contention: There is no trace of animal or human parts in the ayurvedic medicines manufactured by the Divya Yoga Pharmacy. This leaves no room for doubt that Ms Karat and her party were seeking to gain propaganda points against what they perceive as their true class enemy: The Hindu faith. Their attempt to turn India's millions to the Left's one true secular god, Karl Marx, has thus fallen flat on its face and Ms Karat and her comrades would do well to apologise to Acharya Ram Dev whose reputation they had assiduously sought to tarnish. It has, since the controversy broke out, transpired that Ms Karat was misled by a handful of disgruntled workers at Divya Yoga Pharmacy, Hardwar, who had been handed "pink slips". How far was it justified on her part to indulge in character assassination of the Acharya based on nothing but cockamamie peddled by axed employees of the pharmacy? Indeed, the Left's infantile jibes at Acharya Ram Dev were symptomatic of deracinated self-proclaimed intellectuals who see nothing right in their own, living tradition and seek, instead, to graft their violent and constitutionally unstable credo - that is itself a product of deep-rooted arrogance laced with cynicism - into a historically stable society. Not surprisingly, the Indian Left has never been able to spread its wings beyond two or three States. To the vast masses across the subcontinent-sized India, it is the Communist ideology that smacks of an adulteration of the disagreeable kind. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. == 2 of 2 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 4:30 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" चैटर्जी साहब, आपके दिऐ हुऐ लिंक का आपकी खबर के साथ क्या लिंक है। वैसे बात आपने अच्छी लिखी है हिन्दी में लिखने के लिए ये भी उपयुक्त हैः http://kaulonline.com/uninagari/ ============================================================================== TOPIC: Complete Meditation Retreat on 19th March 2006, 9am to 1:30pm http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/bca132ae3dd716a ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 11 2006 8:29 pm From: Sushil Jain Friends, Be in Delhi on Sunday 19th March 2006, you are invited to A unique Complete Meditation Retreat organized by TGF Pune based on "You don't have to Meditate, Just understand that you are Meditation", "Complete Meditation is not doing meditation but is BEING Meditation". It is about 4 hours program by Trainer Krishna Iyer. Date: Sunday, 19th March, 2006 from 9am to 1:30pm, Fee: Rs300/- per person, includes course material, CD, Lunch Venue as "Diwan Chand Trust, 2, Jain Mandir Road, Near Madras Hotel/Shivaji Stadium Bus Terminal, Connaught Place New Delhi 110001". Contact for registration: Anup 9810086674, Sushil 9811568625, Vijay 9891071286 Do come with spouse, grown up children, friends With best wishes.....Sushil Jain --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. == 2 of 2 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 4:22 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" सुशील जी, इसका भारतोदय के साथ क्या लेना देना है? ============================================================================== TOPIC: Discussion on Naxalisam and its impact. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a044708275fc4bc8 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 6:23 pm From: "hitesh verma" Naxalism is a tough problem. It is tougher than terrorism because the people involved are our own. Only long term solution to this problem is development and increasing oppurtunities for employment. I don't know y people take up arms which is more difficult than simply try to get self-employment. Right now I am not quite aware of the real issues concerning naxalism and would like others to provide some contribution. Hitesh Verma B. Tech. MAIT, GGSIPU ============================================================================== TOPIC: Idealism or Pragmatism http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/cc02bd782625fae1 ============================================================================== == 1 of 4 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 5:58 am From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Hello friends, in a book I found what Swami Vivekananda thought that we can uplift the lives of our countrymen by using some amount of rajas. One of the reasons for the backwardness of Indians is that most of the people are in Tamas as compared to Japan where inactiveness is a crime. I always has one question in mind, which is better, IDEALISM or PRAGMATISM. Mahatma Gandhi was an idealist, we all know. Nehru was pragmatic. I once read a quote, "Live like Ram, but act like Krishna". I guesses its meaning to be that we should live a idealistic life, but while working we should not be too much idealistic because we have to work with other peoples although a basic core of principles should be there while working also. Hitesh Verma B. Tech. MAIT, GGSIPU == 2 of 4 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 3:37 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" हितेष जी, क्या आप ये 'रजस, तमस' वाला फंडा विस्तार से समझा सकते हैं? धन्यवाद == 3 of 4 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 11:07 pm From: "hitesh verma" Hello sir, Although I can't claim to know much in this matters but I will try. In hindu religion different people have been divided on the basis of there gunas. Tamas - this guna is predominant in people who are inactive and don't take charge of there lives. Rajas - these are the people full of passion and restlessness and are very ambitious. sattvic - this are the people who are very calm. Equinamity is there hallmark. Now, if you look at the west for eg. Britain. To make there people brave , they say "Be British". We never say "Be Indian". They have made their people ambitious , ambitious to achieve more and more. There is a philosophy in the west that "every person is for himself". In east emphasis has been given on family values, working for the community. There were different effects of these philosophies for eg. west become great in material power, absorbed in work but they had little happiness and were never contented. East become happy, but most of the work here was useless, marriage processions, birth ceremonies, etc. I mean instead of working for the family and the community, we started to work for showing off in the community. This is the problem with idealistic approach.This was one of the problem with communism. This was one of the problems with non-alligned movement. Without becoming strong, showing morality is always foolishness. Even a person as humble as our president APJ Abdul Kalam developed missiles. There is no voice of weak. Now, India is on the track of economic growth although not in its true potential. One of the reason is that due to liberalisation we become more ambitious, started spending which allowed economy to boom. What I want to say is, it is very difficult to make all the people to work for the country but we can make people contribute in the growth of economy by making them spend, by making them more and more ambitious to attain riches. Instead of saying "garibi hatao" y not say "amiri badao". Y not say we want more and more billionaires. Instead of lamenting on the rich-poor divide y not help these poors to attain riches. Yah greed is bad but inaction is worst and India need food and gold right now , not religion and spirituality. Yah we will bring spiritual revolution side by side but for those people who are in inaction first bring passion to them. This is what I meant by using rajas . A great man has said that India is going to win the world by love. Don't know what are the exact words. We can do it first of becoming strongest. As we all know Unites States of America has failed in this regard. == 4 of 4 == Date: Mon, Mar 13 2006 1:11 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" हितेष जी, बहुत पते की बातें कहीं हैं आपने| 'ग़रीबी हटाओ' की 'जगह अमीरी' बढ़ाओ का नारा होना चाहिए| देश ग़रीबी या ग़रीबों से नहीं बनते, पैसे से बनते हैं| पैसे वाले ही कुछ कर सकते हैं| ग़रीब लोग क्या करेंगे| ============================================================================== TOPIC: Vaccination Scam : How the CDC is killing Indian children. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/69dffaee624bc767 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 4:48 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" मैं मौडरेटर से गुज़ारिश करूँगा कि चैटर्जी साहब को वार्निंग देकर इस ग्रुप की सदस्यता से हटा दें। उनकी लम्बी लम्बी मेल्ज़ पढ़ने की हिम्मत हममें नहीं है। उन्होंने इस ग्रुप को न्यूज़ चैनल बना रखा है। वो खुद कुछ चर्चा वर्चा करते नहीं, बस कापी पेस्ट करते रहते हैं। == 2 of 2 == Date: Mon, Mar 13 2006 8:20 am From: "Moderator BharatUdayMission" Dear Rajneeshji, We appreciate your time and effort in doing good discussion. 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Thanks and Regards, Moderators On 3/12/06, रजनीश मंगला <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > मैं मौडरेटर से गुज़ारिश > करूँगा कि चैटर्जी साहब को > वार्निंग देकर इस ग्रुप की > सदस्यता से हटा दें। उनकी > लम्बी लम्बी मेल्ज़ पढ़ने की > हिम्मत हममें नहीं है। > उन्होंने इस ग्रुप को न्यूज़ > चैनल बना रखा है। वो खुद कुछ > चर्चा वर्चा करते नहीं, बस > कापी पेस्ट करते रहते हैं। > > > -- "We have only one Passion The Rise of a Great Nation." www.bharatudaymission.org ============================================================================== TOPIC: Fwd: [bm]ATTENTION MEMBERS http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/84502ff28818d3fd ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Mar 12 2006 5:02 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" जयती जी, थोडी मेहनत करके आप हिन्दी में भी लिख सकती हैं. काहे अंग्रेज़ी में हिन्दी लिख के स्ट्रेस डाल रही हैं. यहां देखिए http://www.hindini.com/tool/hug2.html नहीं तो यहां देखिए http://kaulonline.com/uninagari/ ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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