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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's topics: * BM's vision of casteless society - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a0a44ff9b26b9220?hl=en ============================================================================== TOPIC: BM's vision of casteless society http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a0a44ff9b26b9220?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Fri, Apr 13 2007 6:50 pm From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Hi friends, Caste-free vision is core ideology of the Mission. SInce many members interpret it differently than what we expect, so a proposal to put following clause in "Core Ideology" has been forwarded and is getting discussed presently in const. group. The clause is : 1. We are committed to the vision of caste-free India, an India where the very word caste will cease to exist. To accomplish this, we stand for effacing all caste-based identity in any form including caste- based surnames, caste-based colony names, caste-based organizations and caste-based reservation through every possible non-violent, moral means. So, we need to remove every caste-based identity externally and bring internal change in mindset that our only caste is humanity. Why is removing caste-based titles more than a symbol ? Because, the society has thrust caste-based titles upon us and our caste is recognised by society through these titles irrespective of our negation of caste . So, dropping caste-titles from name is a very crucial way to deal with the conditioning of society, which identitifes a caste through a particular surname. please see more reflection on dropping casteist surnames here: http://gopalkrishna-mission.blogspot.com/2007/03/join-glorious-march-to-caste-free-india.html Lastly, I would quote Swami Vivekananda: I believe that the Satya Yuga (Golden Age) will come when there will be one caste, one Veda, and peace and harmony. This idea of Satya Yuga is what would revivify India. Believe it. - Swami Vivekananda. What would be that one caste in Golden India? Of course, the caste of humanity. Let us drop all caste-based titles in our names, never give such titles to our offsprings and proclaim boldly to one and all that our only caste is the caste of humanity. Jai Hind Gopal ps: for more detailed thoughts, plz read: http://gopalkrishna.mission.googlepages.com/BharatUdayMissionCasteismPolicy.doc On Apr 13, 1:28 am, satya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > very true... totally agree ... but would to add onthing more... 3. mind set > of people > > On 4/13/07, Milind Kotwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > Caste system can only be broken by 1. Inter-caste marriages, and 2. > > Improvement in living standard across the social spectrum. All other are > > actions can just be symbolic. > > > Milind > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of p > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:52 PM > > To: BM_discussion > > Subject: [BM_discussion] Re: BM's vision of casteless society > > > Some additional thoughts > > take it from me, a brahman is the one who thinks and seeks brahamam, > > it is obtained by initiation and not by birth; if you think one gets > > by brith it is not so, but by birth one gets the initiation naturally > > if his/her parents have inquested > > I see in abstract sense the meaning to caste as nothing but > > aspirations of group-ism and its protocols; on the outset, I do not go > > for caste based ills > > -- > "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" == 2 of 2 == Date: Fri, Apr 13 2007 1:23 pm From: "Milind Kotwal" Dear Friends, I am really worried about future of our country. If anybody says we are going to be super power it is nothing more than just wishful thinking. Just take a overview of our situation at a broad level 1. We can not be super power with corrupt and inefficient government administration. Quality and effectiveness of administration is continuously on decline. Corruption and ineffectiveness are the only words that we can use to describe the government administration. 2. Just see quality of discussion and interactions in our legislative bodies across the country, incompetence of our representatives across all the bodies is what is clearly evident at gross level. We can not become super power with such poor quality of our representative bodies. 3. Barring a few respectable exceptions, judiciary can be managed. Go to any court of law barring a few, an insider will tell you about the people who have established contacts with the decision makers, how and at what price things can be managed. 4. Print and audio-visual media is already being controlled by business houses with their own vested interests in manipulating public opinion. 5. Our education system, including quality of teaching and administrative staff is deteriorating... This will result in deterioration of quality of manpower at a gross level. 6. Most of the business houses are managing ruling politicians, administrative officers, media with their money and manipulative power. They have little or no respect for law. With deterioration in law and order situation some of these houses are likely to become unconstitutional law makers themselves. 7. Regional forces are becoming more powerful in the absences of competent national leadership. 8. Naxalites and other groups aided by our adversaries across the border are becoming powerful and also forming alliances 9. Current leadership in all the political and social organizations appears to be totally unaware of developing scenario and are involved in totally unrelated activities. Just there is no hope except for total overhaul and that at great price, situation has deteriorated beyond simple and straight forward solutions. Let us not apply tincture iodine when the injury demands for life saving operation.. Think about it and let me know your views.. Milind Kotwal -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vinay Yadav Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BM_discussion] Re: BM's vision of casteless society Hi Milind, > Caste system can only be broken by 1. Inter-caste marriages, and 2. > Improvement in living standard across the social spectrum. All other are > actions can just be symbolic. I may be wrong here. I am Vinay Yadav, and i come under OBC, and have been classified as EBC (Econimical Backward Class) - though my father is a senior scientist in IIT, and i run my own software business. The backward classes has been fed with hatred against upper cast people over these years. Dr Ambedkar fought for their rights - but present day leaders are distorting his views/thoughts and presenting in a very negative manner. The most educated backward class people are more negative minded than the uneducated backwards. The foolish reason given " You, Brahmin tortured us for 4000 years, now its our turn" - Recently when SC stayed OBC quota case, on a program in Aaj Tak, some backward leader uttered this same. A brahmin from poor family asked a question "Being from Brahmin family, my father is a poor farmer, how do i progress" - the answer was "You brahmin destroyed us for 4000 years, this is results of that" I did not know this caste system till i was in 10th. While filling the form for board exam - i was asked what caste i belong - SC/SC/general. I was not aware of this - i went home asked dad as what was that and how this is going to matter in my education. It was tough for me digest this. but i had to. If we need to root out this, these steps should be taken: 1) Free education till 12th (at tax payer's expense) 2) Remove the option for Caste/Religion from education forms/bank forms/company forms/eveywhere Saying is always easiest option, than doing - i have been thinking as how can this be achieved - but for it seems impossible task. Any thoughts? -- Regards Vinay http://www.vinayras.com - PHP Application Developers ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.nagpurpulse.com - The Pulse of Nagpur http://www.scizoom.com - The Science Zoomer (Science Blog) http://www.indialandsale.com - India's First Real Estate Blogging site http://www.vinras.com - Web Hosting Solutions http://www.vinayras.co.in/our_websites - Complete list of websites from vinayRas ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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