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[email protected] Today's topics: * Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation? - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/03a7e33e2597395b?hl=en * Hard workers are hardest hit - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/66d2d4d7d83d19bd?hl=en ============================================================================== TOPIC: Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation? http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/03a7e33e2597395b?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 9:00 am From: Kapil P More hi, How have you concluded that others morals , conscience is weak and yours is high..what is your moral right to undermine others.... you say... "If your conscience are clear of an eligible BM member pleaase come forward > and contribute to the missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres on the > ground. " arent you implying that those who will not contribute to "missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres" are not having good conscience.... first of all you gave u authority to start this "missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres" and ask all bm to join it....as far as i know there is a process , teams and constitution and all to decide about what works bm takes on national level and local chapters decide on what they do on ground.....you can max ask your local chapter to go ahead with that idea and also make suggestion to your chapters NC represntative to see to it that it is considered for national level work...but you seem to be considering yourself abouve all this process...normall members of bm get frustrated when theier views/ideas/plans are rejected in chapters and their mails are moderated ...they are told process is imp..... but you seem to have full access and to decide where bm should go unilaterally... why ...becuase you are from founding times.........do you truly belive in democracy and processes...you seem to be having a illusion that you are someone great and others are having low morals and weak consciousness...come out of your illusions....dont think that whatever you think is perfect and best and others need to follow it.....learn to believ that you may be wrong...that others might have better knowledge and better exp.....hence in a democracy decisions are to be taken by collective intelligence.... no individual should dictate terms... also regarding "missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres" you ask bm to go ahead with such a big mission , ask for millions without any ground exp... in that mission you mentions about growing musli and give intellect calculations about how crores can be made........let me tell you ...you got all this ideas from internet and from various agricultural forums online....some yrs back i also was fascinated by such thinghs on the internet about aloe vera ..it seems very promising venture for farmers in dry land to to make lacs .....i did research and came up with a plan ...same as you did .... i went to my village with a thought that i have got some great knowledge/innovation/plan to them which i got exclusively thru internet which they could never have got in village.....to my surprise the villagers told me that they have already experimented it ...they gave me ground details about the suppliers and buyers and crop behaviour of aloe vera , so much specific details which even i could not gather from internet...and then they went on further to say why they abandoned that crop ....and also explained me that to actually make it success certain thinghs need to be done on govt level.....i was so pleasantly shocked to see how this people with no access to outside world had some much knowledge and exp ....Hats off to them ....indian farmers can never be under estimated...in fact i felt very belittled in front of them.......from that day on whenver i go to my village i listen to them and try to learn from their life whatever i can... same is the case with safed musli...if it was really that much profit making why do you think the farmers have ignored it....online in internet forums everythingh seems green...ground realities are diff....if you want to do it ...first do it personally in a small piece of land ..show profits and then you dont even have to ask anyone else to follow ...people will follow...no need of millions of funds and all......farmers will manage everythingh...dont underestimate their management skill..their experience and their enterpreneur skills.....they are far better than the MBA's introspect and get out of illusions...get on ground......you would learn more....this is what i feel for you....of course this is my personal opinion and again .i may be wrong.... i appreciate your good will and good feelings for others... regards Kapil More On Oct 31, 3:45 am, "Ravi Kant Pathak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Brothers and Sisters, > Vandemaatram! > > I am reaching you again with a question: "Can unhealhty people revive whole > India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation?" > > When I raise such question, I must admit, I am unhealhty. At the same time I > fully realize that I am on a great misison: Uday of Bharat (Rise of India). > > "* It is impossible for unhealhty people to win swaraj [self-rule]. > Therefore we should no longer be guilty of the neglect of the health of our > people"* - Mahatma Gandhi, 1940, Implication of constructive work. > > ... and we must not forget that *'morals are closely linked with health. A > perfectly moral person alone can achieve perfect health'*. > > Through internet thousands of people joined BM and many other like minded > organization. However, most people, including me, I find are unhealthy; > physically as well as spiritually. We have no moral right to join any such > organization of high ideals as BM, if we are not committed to its ideals and > works. The primary reason for a large number of lethargic human mass in BM > is their poor health. For instance, most people in the BM do not > maintain their body-discipline, live self-indulged lifestyle and most > believe that purpose of their bodily existence is self-pleasure/comfort. We > find it uncomfortable to check our consumption habits and self-pride > attitudes. People with such a low consciousness possess no capacity to bring > large scale changes in the massive and diverse country like India. This mail > is not to dishearten a group or an individual but a humble reminder of the > duty towards yourself; Self-purification. How many of consciously strive to > overcome our own laziness and self-indulging tendencies and lust. I have not > only experienced such habit within me, but also experimented on them. At > many times, I have experinced a perfect health. and I am writing this based > on my experiences only. when BM was initiated We envisioned of only few > hundred whole hearted, selfless and disciplined soldiers in the misison. > Today we are a junk of lethargic intellectuals. I strongly believe only > merely through intellect one niether can achive a strong character nor can > become a compassionate human being. But through self-restrained living and > self-purification one can contribute efectively in every walk of life. BM > expect atleast this from you. If you finf youself unfit to be in this great > mission, you are humbly request to make yourself fit and contribute > effectively to the nation building. > > Although I am not advocating any 'ism' or 'sect' or so called religion' in > worldly sense, I strongly recommend YOGA to be adopted by all well wisher of > humanity in genrla and India in particular. But This should not be the end, > rather it is a beginning of new emergence. We all have to emerge from our > embodied self to the Universal Self. and That is the path for India's rise. > We must dream to return our villages and make them a prefered place to live > in all respect. > > How many of you made serious attempt to overcome self-indulging attitude and > contribute effectively in nation building? How many of you thought of > contribute someway or the other; inferiority, insecurity and self-pride are > killing Indian in every walk of life. Even in Mission like BM we are facing > such a problems. NO one is forcing you to be in BM, but if you are here > please maintian your dignity and do something. I seriously look forward to > clean up the organization,not by the use of functionary authority, which in > ignorance have been used in past for the same task, but simple moral force. > If your conscience are clear of an eligible BM member pleaase come forward > and contribute to the missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres on the > ground. but remember, try hard to attain good health and to an extent > attain perfect health. THIS IS TIME FOR PRAYER AND SELF-REFLECTION! jai > hind! > WITH TRUTH > RAVI > - > Join the second Indian freedom struggle:http://bharatudaymission.org/ > > Ravi Kant Pathak > Department of Civil and Structural Engineering > Hong Kong Polytechnic University > Hung Hom, Hong Kong > phone: 852-34003961 (Office); > 852-27199005 (Residence) > 852-95712014 (if U dont find me at above numbers) ============================================================================== TOPIC: Hard workers are hardest hit http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/66d2d4d7d83d19bd?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Thurs, Nov 1 2007 10:00 pm From: Rishikesh We all understand that it is always poorest who has to pay most for society. Here is another example how hard working people are double hit, one by pathetic work condition, exploitation and now this exchange rate. Here is another point to be noted that India's globalization has till now been sustained by the Indian peasantry working across globe and not hyped software industry. Here is an article http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-30277520071101 which shows what is the state of peasantry and following is an article on contribution of hard workers and exchange effect on their little income. Source: Hindu URL http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200711020333.htm * How rupee appreciation hits families dependent on forex remittances* D.Murali Chennai: Much has been written about rupee appreciation and its adverse impact, especially on exporters. Not enough, though, has been talked about a huge section of the population that is dependent on foreign remittance, observes Mr Bhaskar Rao, Executive Director, Wall Street Finance Ltd, Mumbai. "These people have lost their income by almost 20 per cent as compared to last year. This, coupled with the inflation and the high interest rate, has seriously affected them," he adds during the course of an e-mail interaction with Business Line. "Rupee has appreciated beyond sustainable levels. The exchange rate is not justified by its fundamentals at the current level." Mr Rao, who was earlier CEO of the company, has about 25 years of experience in the banking and financial services sector, covering areas such as forex, treasury and global money remittance. Wall Street Finance Ltd is involved directly with the end customers as a service provider for remittance. Excerpts from the interview. *How important are inward remittances?* Very important, they are, from an economic perspective. Indian economy survived the trade account deficits for more than a decade, owing to the invisibles, which are primarily remittances from individuals. It was these remittances, which ultimately brought down the current account deficits to manageable levels. *Are there details about the distribution of the remittance-dependent, and the remitters?* It is estimated that inward remittances are of approximately $28 billion per annum now. This mainly comprises remittances by individuals working abroad. Inward remittance plays a major role in the economy of Kerala. We have a huge population of NRIs (non-resident Indians) working in Gulf, not only from Kerala, but also from Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, coastal Karnataka, West Bengal, Uttar Pradesh, and the Sikar belt of Rajasthan. There are more than 10 lakh people of Kerala alone working in various Gulf countries, predominantly in unskilled and semi-skilled jobs. While the qualified professionals working abroad have a better bargaining power because of the alternative opportunities available to them, it is the vast population of semi-skilled and unskilled labour force that gets affected very badly by rupee appreciation. *An example.* Typically in a family, one earning member goes out to Gulf to earn livelihood. He earns his salary in one of the Gulf currencies and sends money back home for their maintenance. Consider these data about the comparative rate of a few currencies as of two periods, viz. July 2006 and October 2007: $ - Rs 46.80, Rs 39.50; UAE dirhams - Rs 12.73, Rs 10.74; Saudi riyals - Rs 12.46, Rs 10.51; and Qatar riyals - Rs 12.84 and Rs 10.82. Let us take the example of a typical semi-skilled worker, who earns approximately 2,000 dirhams in Dubai. He does not have any bargaining power with his employer, just because of the appreciation of rupee. Out the 2,000 dirhams he would have kept 1,000 dirhams for his living in Gulf, and the balance 1,000, he would have remitted to his family in India. A year ago, this would have given the family an income of 1,000 x Rs 12.73 = Rs 12,730. Assuming that the family spent Rs 8,000 for expenses, the balance Rs 4,730 would have been saved, or earmarked for the payment of housing loan etc. Now with the changed exchange rate, the same 1,000 dirhams will give only Rs 10,740. And if the lifestyle were to be maintained, with the inflation of around 5 per cent, the expenses would be Rs 8,400, even as savings dropped to Rs 2,340. If there is a housing loan to repay, then the interest on that will again have a negative impact, in addition to the above. The rise in the interest will wipe off the whole savings portion. *On further implications.* Unlike other savers, our workers in Gulf have to compulsory save for their retirement and for returning to India. Despite a reduction in income, they will not be able to bargain for a better salary. For, if they so do, they will be replaced by the workers from Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and so on. Also, a situation of zero-saving may force the workers to return to India, which may have very serious social implications. Our policymakers have to come to the rescue of these masses through a better exchange rate policy, which is independent of the movement of hot money though the PN (participatory note) or the FII (foreign institutional investor) route but rather dependent on the purchasing power parity (PPP), in long-term interests. ** http://InterviewsInsights.blogspot.com ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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