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E-Mail Page Printer Safe Interview with Mr. H.H. Nerurkar (HN), vice president, Tata Steel http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/15842f6c32f881e9?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 9:43 pm From: BhanuPrakash Singh Dear all patriotrs, This true story is the ground reality. The corrupt rulers of this country have been exploiting poorest of the poor so much that they would not trust anybody. The corruption ultimately hits the last man-the daily wage earner,or atribal . All people in the intermediate economic level are able to make up the bribe money they part with . They bribe with one hand and extract from somebody with other. When businness men bribe they add in the input cost and sell the product at higher cost. This is not true for the poor man. He just misses his meal due to such corruption. First the poor accepted the false promises of the politicians/govt officials but now their hopes are shattered. They are prepared to deal with such people. Lets move fast before the situation goes out of control. bhanu m. Abhijit K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting interview.. if one can read between the lines.. :D .. - abhijit http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14111 Interview with Mr. H.H. Nerurkar (HN), vice president, Tata Steel by Nityanand Jayaraman, Special to CorpWatch June 10th, 2006 10 June, 2006. Chennai. 4 p.m. to 5 p.m. On May 24, 2006, www.corpwatch.org published the article "Stolen for Steel: Tata Takes Tribal Lands in India." The article dealt with the Kalinganagar incident, where police opened fire on a group of adivasis (indigenous peoples) who had gathered to stop construction of a steel factory by Tata Steel in Jajpur district of Orissa. Thirty six people were injured and 13, including a boy, were killed. Adivasi communities have flatly refused industrialization on grounds that it pollutes and robs local communities to enrich corporate bosses. The Tatas would like to be known for their philanthropy. But scratch beneath the surface, and one finds all the markings of just another corporation. In response to the Corpwatch article, Mr. H.H. Nerurkar, vice president Tata Steel, met me in Chennai to "clarify" Tata's position. In the course of an hour-long conversation, Nerurkar laid out a roadmap according to which Tatas will mine ore, build factories in Orissa, and contribute to the upliftment of Orissa in general, and the adivasis in particular. He outlined the details of a program to train youth from families evicted to make way for industries to become construction labourers sent to work on industrial and infrastructural projects in various parts of the country. The Government of India considers construction workers as "one of the most numerous and vulnerable segments of the unorganized sector in India . The building and other construction works are characterized by their inherent risk to the life and limb of the workers. The work is also characterized by its casual nature, temporary relationship between employer and employee, uncertain working hours, lack of basic amenities and inaqdequacy of welfare facilities." Nerurkar admits that despite 100 years of upliftment programs for the adivasis by Tatas, the lot of the adivasis remains pathetic. Indeed, with the proposed onslaught on tribal lands, lifestyle and culture by mining companies and industries, once-self-sufficient adviasi communities in India may become entirely dependent on hand-outs by industry or the State. Strangely, rather than question the displace-and-rehabilitate programs, he recommends increased "looking after" of tribal communities. Corporations, Governments and even many among adivasi societies seem convinced that adivasis and other marginalized communities have no inherent right to choose their path of development. The right to say "No" to industrial development is being termed unviable or unreasonable. Instead, corporations and the Government are making it seem as if tribal development and the economic betterment of the poor can only piggy-back on some grandiose industrial plan for "development." Interview H.H. Nerurkar (HHN): I would like to clarify certain things and place our version before you. First, I must say that the story is factually accurate. We have no problems with that. The land was acquired in 1992 itself by the Government. At that time, people were paid Rs. 37,200 per acre. But for several years, no industrialization was taking place. Only Nilanchal and MESCO had come. Typically, when land is acquired, one ensures that the land is vacated. Here it was not done. Everybody [whose land was taken] was paid 37,200. Tata's paid Rs. 300,000 per acre for the land. People did not like that Government was profiting. In such situations, logic doesn't work. So the Government offered an ex-gratia payment by Rs. 25,000 and increased the amount for housing. But people were not satisfied. You have written about the Maharashtra Seamless incident in May 2005. By this time, we said we can't keep on indefinitely waiting. Along with the Collector, we put up a camp for informing people. On the first day, 60-70 people came. Next day onwards, nobody. So in October/November, we decided to hold a medical camp. For the first 4-5 days, Tata Steel won't come anywhere near the camp. Tata Steel Rural Development Society was to run the camp. On the first day, 200 people came. On the second day, the camp was burnt. Nityanand Jayaraman (NJ) : When was this? HHN: In November. NJ: Was a police complaint filed? HHN: Yes. HHN: How long to wait? In November 2004, we signed the agreement. In December 2004, we had paid the amount and registered. We had started boundary wall construction even by August 2005 at a very slow pace. In January 2006, we started work in one corner of the plot. That was nearly one kilometer from the villages. We didn't want to provoke them. NJ: How large is the plot? HHN: 2400 acres. We were only flattening the boundaries between plots within our area. You know the small bunds separating plots. We were flattening that. There were three bulldozers. We suspected that people will attack us. And then you have written what happened, and that is what happened. It was a tragic event. NJ: You say that Tata Steel had begun this work. But your Director Mr. J.J. Irani has written that Tatas was not involved in any way? [1] HHN: Mr. Irani may have said something in a press conference and the reporters. . . NJ: No sir. He had written to the editor of a newspaper. HHN: He did not know. Tatas is a big organization. Perhaps he was asked "Were there any Tata Steel people there?" It is wrong to say we were not there. We were there. We had not anticipated that things would turn out this way. We expected some people to come and shout some slogans and go. I never thought it would turn out like this. NJ: But the police seem to have come prepared for a war rather than to deal with a band of slogan shouters? HHN: In Maharashtra Seamless, police were not prepared. One police inspector and ADM (Additional District Magistrate) were beaten up. You have written about it. They broke the ADM's nose and teeth. The policeman was attacked with a farsa. You know farsa? It is a long curved knife. That is why this time people must see we are prepared. NJ: So everybody knew that these people were not just the slogan shouting kind? That they were serious about their demand? Was it only a small group, or were there many people? HHN: Many people. More than 500. NJ: Would you consider them a fringe group? HHN: No. Not a fringe group. NJ: Mr. Sanjay Choudhury seemed to suggest that only a few people were upset. HHN: No. No. Some people have instigated, but they have large support. What happened there is horrible. We have not been able to communicate directly with people, which is why this is happening. We decided in February after every national leader came and gave assurances and went away. We said, let's get in touch with people directly. In all fairness, people have not got a good deal. In Nilanchal and other project, people still haven't been given jobs or what was promised. Nilanchal is a Government company. People say, "how can we trust you?" We are saying come to the mines, and see how we have protected people and the environment. We want to take people in small batches to Jamshedpur. People have three main concerns: 1. That steel plants pollute. 2. That [host] communities are not happy. 3. How to trust Tatas and Government to give compensation and livelihood? Many of these people are illiterate and downtrodden. They have never seen anything positive in life. What will they do? How will they get employment. The plant will come up after three years. For them, we have a special program. We'll train them in construction work. Do you know that there are three to four places in Chennai where construction workers are trained? After training construction workers here, a person comes from Singapore to certify them. We want to train the tribals in construction work. Construction jobs are immediate. The trained persons will find work at construction sites all over the country. We'll also speak to our partners like L&T etc. These people have never seen anything positive in life. So we'll give them training. It will be a residential course. We'll take them and give them 10 days of attitude improvement training. We'll get them to kick their habits - guthka, smoking. We'll tell them "Don't be disappointed with life. It can be better." We'll finish the first batch of 30 in three weeks. In all, we'll train about 1100. About 200 or so are ITI trained. I'm obliged to train only 1100, but personally I want to train another 400 to 500 more. Empty mind is devil's workshop, you know. The problem with displacement is immediate. If I take your land [and only give compensation], you have no work but only money. That is why money is not adequate. The biggest problem with rehabilitation is that only some people gain. Those who are smart. The poor lose out. We will appoint a reputed NGO or form a Working Committee with local representatives to monitor each family for five years. If today his income level is 100, it should be much more a few years down. I don't want this disturbance to cause any damage. The environmental concerns are not an issue. This plant will be similar to any plant in Japan or Germany. Pollution, environment, water are not issues with Tata Steel. NJ: If that's the case, why the opposition? HHN: There are left wing elements like Rajendar Singh. . . NJ: Elements? Sir, can you please clarify what "elements" mean? HHN: You know CPI ML kind of inclination. He is part of that outfit. We have tried to go and talk to anybody. You discuss and suggest. If it is reasonable, we'll do. But these people won't come and talk. We are not starving in Jamshedpur. This country is growing at 7.8 percent. Steel consumption is 36-40 kg/capita. We need to develop. India's demand for steel is 40 million ton per annum. In 2020, it will be 100 million tons. If we don't produce steel, who else will? NJ: Why set up in Orissa, then? HHN: There is no compulsion. We wanted to put up in Orissa. See Naxals etc are thriving because there is unhappiness in people. People were promised something. The promise was not kept. Nerurkar talks about Tata's service to the adivasis. Jamshedpur is a shining example of Tata's commitment to the upliftment of the adivasis, he says. NJ: Sir, do you have a break up of how many adivasis and people from other communities are there among your senior management. HHN: We're a secular company. Fifteen years ago, we decided not to maintain [such records] on communal lines. So we don't really know. But adivasis have benefited. We're an excellent mix of people. There is at least 20 percent adivasis in the workforce. NJ: But among the senior management? How many adivasis? How many Brahmins, for instance? HHN: We have no adivasis in our top management. At my level, there are none. Most of the adivasis are in the workforce. At my next level, at GM levels about 5 percent or so. I was talking to some adivasi leaders. We go to put these kids through some English medium. NJ: Sir, Tata Steel has been around in Jamshedpur for more than 100 years now. But it seems like 100 years of tribal upliftment by Tatas has not worked. I mean, with 100 years of help, not one adivasi person could make it to the top management? HHN: Tata Steel has improved the standard of living. There are many special initiatives for tribal development. In spite of doing all this, tribals have not reached where they ought to have, even in Jamshedpur. Tribals have to be looked after much more. [1] Tata Sons Director Jamshed J. Irani wrote to Financial Express that "No officer of Tata Steel was present, nor was there any other involvement from the company, which resulted in police firing." -- Abhijit Minakshi About my name: www.geocities.com/abhijit1303/aboutname.txt Bhanuprakash Singh, B.E.(Hons.),FIE(India) Chief Mechanical Engineer(Retd.) Indian Railways, H 243,Bagmugalia Extension,Laharpur Bhopal M.P. Phone 0091755 2480886 mob 0091 9425600275 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================== TOPIC: Fwd: [YSC] Fw: [wb-ipt] corporate land grab http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/af149a18606dd22e?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 10:15 pm From: BhanuPrakash Singh There is no doubt that we should become self reliant in food production as well as fuel/energy. But the policy/road map should not result in to starvation/sufferings to the under privileged. Unfortunately the policy makers barring few see only their gains out of all policies.The politicians/bureaucrats are major players in this vicious game, with host of beneficiaries as agents. The corruption changes the good effects of policy completely. The law/rule is as good as implemented. And only weak need protection under the law. There in no way but to replace the present lot of politicians/corrupt officials and induct as many fresh hands as possible with clear understanding of the law and their own role and duties.No looting the poor. bhanu m Abhijit K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: while some folks keep making huge efforts to change lives of a few people through dedicated social-work... policies like this throw millions into poverty...... and the party keeps going on for few in this country... - a. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Madhumita Date: Nov 2, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: [YSC] Fw: [wb-ipt] corporate land grab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Talking about love in time of cholera The proposed draft of Land Policy while expresses a lot of good intentions of Nehruvian era where the policy focus was on "self cultivation" utterly fails in taking into account the developments that have already taken place during last one and half decade. The most important point that these good intentions miss is the National Agriculture Policy 2000, which commits itself to promote (a) lease markets in land, (b) contract farming, and (c) corporate farming. This all is approved with the intentions of improving the productivity of land and making transfer of land easier for the 'efficient users' (who else is more efficient than private Corporations?). For accomplishment of these goals the essential preconditions are worked out by World Bank in association with DFID and they are (i) computerization of land record (between the lines accessible by internet), (ii) regularization/legalization of all kinds of tenancy, and (iii) flexibility in protective (existing) measures in land transfers, (iv) drop restrictions on sale of land to non-agriculturalists and subdivision which have little economic justification, (v) allow transferability of land by land reform beneficiaries at least through lease and explore options for making the gains from such reform permanent, (vi) review legislation on compulsory land acquisition and, subject to the prevention of undesirable externalities, allow farmers or their representatives to negotiate with and if desired transfer land directly to investors rather than having to go through government and often receive only very limited compensation. This well intentioned effort of advocacy also seems to be oblivious to the fact that after pronouncement of the National Agriculture Policy 2000, several states had gone ahead (as it is part of the State List in Constitution of India) with providing relaxations in 'land use transfers' and 'ceiling' related regulations. This proposed policy draft is also unmindful of the fact that several state governments including the government of Madhya Pradesh has already given affidavit in Supreme Court stating that no land is available that can be provided for rehabilitation based on land for land. The latest Rehabilitation and Resettlement policy approved by the cabinet also mentions about 'Land for Land' but suffices it with 'if possible' (and every one knows in present era will be never possible). The draft is also ignorant about the fact that 'common land' had already disappeared to a substantial extend and whatever little is leftover is targeted by the corporate sector in the name of plantations for "Agro-fuels" namely Jatropha in concerted manner. Selling rosy dreams listed in the draft policy stink of what is called 'ostrich approach' which calls for dipping your neck in sand at the time of storm and feel safe. The wish list expressed in the draft reminds the title of the famous novel by Gabriel Garcia Marquez called 'love in times of cholera'. At time when Government is looking for means to wriggle out of the business of 'land acquisition' and leave the matters to 'market forces' by making 'land a freely tradable' commodity the effort best can be termed as dangerously novice. It is this context, while the intentions of draft policy sound plausible, the implications of the draft provide the government the basis to fiddle with existing laws and procedure to make it smooth for the corporate takeover of the land and fulfillment of its promise to its Creditor and Donor like World Bank and DFID. ________________________________ Statement of Concern -draft (30/10/2007) We highly appreciate the efforts by the participants of the JANADESH 2007 yatra for their contribution in bringing the perennial issue of Land and its equitable distribution back on National agenda. Some of the demands raised by this mammoth effort have their roots in the struggle for India's independence which raised the aspirations of the peasantry by the promise of 'land to tiller' once the country has done away with the shackles of colonial rule. The Land laws and the agrarian policies in the initial phase of Interdependent India were also guided by the urge to promote "self cultivation" but with the pressure of achieving 'self sufficiency' in food and the advice from international agencies like Ford Foundation the government of India had embarked upon 'green revolution' and began to slag behind on its commitment to the promise of 'Land to the tiller'. The Agriculture Commission set by the Government of India in its report's volume XV on land reforms in 1972 (20 years after Ford Foundation funded pilot programme in 1952) brought out the fact that in major part of the country which were governed by the Zamidari and Mahalbari systems till the colonial rule the implementation of land reforms was utter failure. To insulate the Government from the fallout such report the process of initiating Land Ceiling Laws was initiated the same year and all most all the states have come up with the required law with slight variance. During the 'Emergency Era' the famous 20-point programme also incorporated agenda of distribution of land to the land less and deprived communities. There was a rush of competition among the Chief Ministers and other functionaries in getting photographed distributing land titles. All of us connected to grassroots in one way the other know very well that half of the land that was claimed to be distributed never been able to be 'possessed' by the legal claimant. On other this 'claimed to be distributed land' was not the acquired ceiling surplus land. A lot of militant 'land grab' movements by the peasant organisations from verity of ideological shades in various parts of the country were witnessed during 70s and 80s. But with the beginning of World Bank backed programme of Integrated Rural Development Programme (IRDP) in 1989 and the fast transforming functioning of parliamentary system in India (particularly with the demise of opposition as institution) had taken the steam out of the struggles and slowly but surely the question of land and its equitable distribution was tendered redundant. In 1991, when Mr. Manmohan Singh as Finance Minister in Mr. Narsimha Rao's Government laid down the agenda of liberalisation, privatisation and globalisation the foundations were laid to change the fundamentals of the previous 'policy framework' in all sectors of economy including Land and Agriculture. Gradually the focus of agrarian policy began to drift from 'self cultivation' to smooth transfer the land from the 'inefficient users' that is small and marginal farmers to 'efficient users' that is private corporations. The context of land question and its 'equitable distribution' has transformed completely as the impact of joining WTO and giving a twist to Indian agriculture towards 'export orientation' saying good bye to the legacy of 'food self sufficiency' as hallmark of official policy framework. The National Agriculture Policy 2000 loudly and clearly pronounced to promote (a) lease markets in land, (b) contract farming, and (c) corporate farming. This all is approved with the intentions of improving the productivity of land and making transfer of land easier for the 'efficient users' (who else is more efficient than private Corporations?). It has also stated to promote biotechnology and genetic engineering as the basis to improve productivity of Indian agriculture. For the accomplishment of these goals the essential preconditions are worked out by World Bank in association with DFID and they are (i) computerization of land record (between the lines accessible by internet), (ii) regularization/legalization of all kinds of tenancy, and (iii) flexibility in protective (existing) measures in land transfers, (iv) drop restrictions on sale of land to non-agriculturalists and subdivision which have little economic justification, (v) allow transferability of land by land reform beneficiaries at least through lease and explore options for making the gains from such reform permanent, (vi) review legislation on compulsory land acquisition and, subject to the prevention of undesirable externalities, allow farmers or their representatives to negotiate with and if desired transfer land directly to investors rather than having to go through government and often receive only very limited compensation. After pronouncement of the National Agriculture Policy 2000, several states had gone ahead (as it is part of the State List in Constitution of India) with providing relaxations in 'land use transfers' and 'ceiling' related regulations. The Government further reinforced its commitment to transfer of land to the private corporations by enacting Special Economic Zones Act, 2005 which provides lot of concessions to the developers at the cost public exchequer and violates the fundamentals of even neo-liberal dictums of 'equal playing field' and 'fair competition. The Government's efforts of promoting plantation of Jatropha to meet targets of its own policy of mixing Ethanol with diesel on common and government lands for feeding "Agro-fuel" refinery set up by private corporation also create doubts on the credentials of both the government in general and its present leadership in general. It is this context that we take the response of the government to the plausible effort of JANADESH 2007 by announcing setting up of a Commission under the Chairmanship of the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh with pinch of salt. We have serious doubt that the commission of this sort will be capable of standing against the commitment and enthusiasm of the government in implementing the obligations of WTO that are adversely affecting the small and marginal farmers; SEZ Act 2005 and non implementation of Forest Right Act, 2006 which are essential to pave way for any effective pro-poor land reforms. We also do not see much scope of justice to be done for the poor and the marginalized by a commission comprising of 'stakeholders' which includes colonizers, builders and developers, funded NGOs along with the token representation of the farmers. Hence we do not see these promises made by the Government as victory but see it at most as the beginning of a crucial and decisive phase of long history and traditions of Land Struggles. To be endoresed by several activists & intellectuals. If you want to endorse this pl mail to: Anil Chaudhary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Links to IFI documents: 1. Study done by CCDS & Ekta Parishad in PACS programme of DFID- "Towards a people's land policy": http://www.empowerpoor.org/downloads/people's%20land%20policy.pdf 2. World Bank report- "India - Land policies for growth & poverty reduction (July 9, 2007)": http://www-wds.worldbank.org/external/default/WDSContentServer/WDSP/IB/2007/08/31/000310607_20070831102106/Rendered/PDF/382980INoptmzd.pdf 3. FAO working paper "Land and livelihoods - Making land rights real for India's rural poor (May 2004)" - Livelihood Support Programme (LSP) funded by DFID: ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/007/J2602E/J2602E00.pdf -- Abhijit Minakshi About my name: www.geocities.com/abhijit1303/aboutname.txt Bhanuprakash Singh, B.E.(Hons.),FIE(India) Chief Mechanical Engineer(Retd.) Indian Railways, H 243,Bagmugalia Extension,Laharpur Bhopal M.P. Phone 0091755 2480886 mob 0091 9425600275 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================== TOPIC: bhoomi ka sach http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/53ceb9cc3d9ae0ab?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 10:30 pm From: BhanuPrakash Singh Can the responsible/appropriate bhumi official clarify the position for benefit of all? Bhanu M mukesh mishra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Rahul ji, Due to individual ego & "my thought is best" ,We are already in a very poor position. I have tried to maintain the BM funds & all ,but not successful. I request u not continue with blame-game. Whom so ever work for BM, all are try there best. But we failed to unite our self. I stronly feel If we are able to trust on each other ,then we must work under only one person(any one of us). & whom so ever is not listoning him, must be out of BM Regards Mukesh mishra 09903893764 --- rahul tripathi wrote: > भारत उदय > मिशन के > साथियों, > मैंने तय > किया है > की मैं > मिशन की > गतिविधियों > की > पड़ताल > करूँगा > और एक > पत्र > श्रृंखला > के रूप > में इसका > प्रकाशन > करूँगा. > मेरा > उद्देश्य > साफ है- > गलतियों > की पहचान > और उनसे > जुडे > लोगों > का सच > सामने > लाना. > इसके बाद > निर्णय > करने का > अधिकार > आप सबका > है कि वे > लोग मिशन > में बने > रहें > अथवा > उन्हें > हटा दिया > जाये. > सबसे > पहले मैं > भूमि के > बारे में > कुछ > तथ्यों > की और > आपका > ध्यान > आकर्षित > करना > चाहूँगा. > मिशन की > शुरुआत > में यह > स्पष्ट > था कि इसे > राजनीतिक > दल बनना > है. पर > तुरंत यह > संभव > नहीं हो > पाया. जून > 2006 में > जयपुर > सम्मेलन > में यह > प्रस्ताव > पारित > हुआ की यह > राजनीतिक > दल और गैर > सरकारी > संघटन > दोनों ही > रूपों > में > पंजीकृत > होगा. > चेन्नई > से राघवन > सम्मिलित > हुए थे. > उसके बाद > आप जरा > नवम्बर 2006 > पूना में > हुए > सम्मेलन > में > पारित > प्रस्तावों > पर नजर > डालें. > फिर से > मिशन के > पंजीकरण > का > प्रस्ताव > पास हुआ > ताकि > वैधानिक > औपचारिकतायें > पूरी की > जा सकें. > पूना > सम्मेलन > में > चेन्नई > से > देवराज > सम्मिलित > हुए. > मजेदार > बात यह है > की जब दो > सम्मेलन > उपरोक्त > > प्रस्ताव > पारित कर > रहे थे, > वहां > चेन्नई > में भूमि > 15 अगस्त 2006 > को > पंजीकृत > हो चुका > था. भूमि > का > पंजीकरण > दस्तावेज > उठा के > देख > लीजिये. > अगर यह > पंजीकरण > सभी > लोगों के > जानकारी > में हुआ > था तो > दोबारा > इस > प्रस्ताव > की क्या > जरुरत थी? > चेन्नई > से पधारे > देवराज > ने इस बात > को > स्पष्ट > क्यों > नहीं > किया? हो > सकता है > वे > अनभिज्ञ > रहे हों. > भूमि के > पंजीकरण > दस्तावेज > में > सदस्यता > के बारे > में कहा > गया है की > कोई भी > व्यक्ति > १० मात्र > देकर > सदस्य बन > सकता है. > पर > केन्द्रीय > पंजीकरण ke > nam पर ५० > मात्र > मांगे गए. > ग्वालियर > से लगभग > १० नाम गए > पर उनमे > से एक का > भी > पंजीकरण > नहीं हुआ > और न ही > शुल्क का > अता पता > है. > भूमि की > कार्यकारिणी > के विषय > में > दस्तावेज > में === message truncated === Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php Bhanuprakash Singh, B.E.(Hons.),FIE(India) Chief Mechanical Engineer(Retd.) Indian Railways, H 243,Bagmugalia Extension,Laharpur Bhopal M.P. Phone 0091755 2480886 mob 0091 9425600275 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================== TOPIC: Hard workers are hardest hit http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/66d2d4d7d83d19bd?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 10:37 pm From: BhanuPrakash Singh Dear all, With economic progress there will be change in rate of exchange. It will have dual effect. Imports are cheaper, acquisition of foreign assets is cheaper, export is hard hit, remittances are at a loss now etc. Looking at 2020 and India's position in the World, will this help? Economists have to comment. bhanu M Rishikesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We all understand that it is always poorest who has to pay most for society. Here is another example how hard working people are double hit, one by pathetic work condition, exploitation and now this exchange rate. Here is another point to be noted that India's globalization has till now been sustained by the Indian peasantry working across globe and not hyped software industry. Here is an article http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-30277520071101 which shows what is the state of peasantry and following is an article on contribution of hard workers and exchange effect on their little income. Source: Hindu URL http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200711020333.htm How rupee appreciation hits families dependent on forex remittances D.Murali Chennai: Much has been written about rupee appreciation and its adverse impact, especially on exporters. Not enough, though, has been talked about a huge section of the population that is dependent on foreign remittance, observes Mr Bhaskar Rao, Executive Director, Wall Street Finance Ltd, Mumbai. "These people have lost their income by almost 20 per cent as compared to last year. This, coupled with the inflation and the high interest rate, has seriously affected them," he adds during the course of an e-mail interaction with Business Line. "Rupee has appreciated beyond sustainable levels. The exchange rate is not justified by its fundamentals at the current level." Mr Rao, who was earlier CEO of the company, has about 25 years of experience in the banking and financial services sector, covering areas such as forex, treasury and global money remittance. Wall Street Finance Ltd is involved directly with the end customers as a service provider for remittance. Excerpts from the interview. How important are inward remittances? Very important, they are, from an economic perspective. Indian economy survived the trade account deficits for more than a decade, owing to the invisibles, which are primarily remittances from individuals. It was these remittances, which ultimately brought down the current account deficits to manageable levels. Are there details about the distribution of the remittance-dependent, and the remitters? It is estimated that inward remittances are of approximately $28 billion per annum now. This mainly comprises remittances by individuals working abroad. Inward remittance plays a major role in the economy of Kerala. We have a huge population of NRIs (non-resident Indians) working in Gulf, not only from Kerala, but also from Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, coastal Karnataka, West Bengal, Uttar Pradesh, and the Sikar belt of Rajasthan. There are more than 10 lakh people of Kerala alone working in various Gulf countries, predominantly in unskilled and semi-skilled jobs. While the qualified professionals working abroad have a better bargaining power because of the alternative opportunities available to them, it is the vast population of semi-skilled and unskilled labour force that gets affected very badly by rupee appreciation. An example. Typically in a family, one earning member goes out to Gulf to earn livelihood. He earns his salary in one of the Gulf currencies and sends money back home for their maintenance. Consider these data about the comparative rate of a few currencies as of two periods, viz. July 2006 and October 2007: $ - Rs 46.80, Rs 39.50; UAE dirhams - Rs 12.73, Rs 10.74; Saudi riyals - Rs 12.46, Rs 10.51; and Qatar riyals - Rs 12.84 and Rs 10.82. Let us take the example of a typical semi-skilled worker, who earns approximately 2,000 dirhams in Dubai. He does not have any bargaining power with his employer, just because of the appreciation of rupee. Out the 2,000 dirhams he would have kept 1,000 dirhams for his living in Gulf, and the balance 1,000, he would have remitted to his family in India. A year ago, this would have given the family an income of 1,000 x Rs 12.73 = Rs 12,730. Assuming that the family spent Rs 8,000 for expenses, the balance Rs 4,730 would have been saved, or earmarked for the payment of housing loan etc. Now with the changed exchange rate, the same 1,000 dirhams will give only Rs 10,740. And if the lifestyle were to be maintained, with the inflation of around 5 per cent, the expenses would be Rs 8,400, even as savings dropped to Rs 2,340. If there is a housing loan to repay, then the interest on that will again have a negative impact, in addition to the above. The rise in the interest will wipe off the whole savings portion. On further implications. Unlike other savers, our workers in Gulf have to compulsory save for their retirement and for returning to India. Despite a reduction in income, they will not be able to bargain for a better salary. For, if they so do, they will be replaced by the workers from Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and so on. Also, a situation of zero-saving may force the workers to return to India, which may have very serious social implications. Our policymakers have to come to the rescue of these masses through a better exchange rate policy, which is independent of the movement of hot money though the PN (participatory note) or the FII (foreign institutional investor) route but rather dependent on the purchasing power parity (PPP), in long-term interests. ** http://InterviewsInsights.blogspot.com Bhanuprakash Singh, B.E.(Hons.),FIE(India) Chief Mechanical Engineer(Retd.) Indian Railways, H 243,Bagmugalia Extension,Laharpur Bhopal M.P. Phone 0091755 2480886 mob 0091 9425600275 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================== TOPIC: Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation? http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/03a7e33e2597395b?hl=en ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 2:43 am From: BhanuPrakash Singh Dear Vivek, Umrao and other brothers/sisters, We are pursuing a great ideal for our future.Only those of us who are fit physically and mentally will be able to contribute anything worth while. Don't get in to putting down others and trying to claim that one is superior to other. Lets all put our might together. Even sick will make some contribution. So please lets focus on the great mission and its goal. bhanu m Vivek Umrao Glendenning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Respected Brother Ravi, Because you accept in your mail that you are not healthy thus I do not think that you should have written this philosophical mail. Gandhi did not give us independence as individual. It was collective effort including physically unhealthy people. Do you want to motivate me to leave BM by motivating indirectly? May be many members of BM are healthier than you but they can not write emails philosophically. In my view, many members have been working much more than you for society (if they feed polio drops or clean roads or etc). Why do you always try to dominate other members without doing anything? Try to be healthy in mind first yourself. Why do you want to justify your limitations, conditionings by manipulating words of Gandhi? love vivek From: Ravi Kant Pathak Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; BM NC mail ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Krishna, Gopal Subject: [BM_discussion] Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation? Dear Brothers and Sisters, Vandemaatram! I am reaching you again with a question: "Can unhealhty people revive whole India and contribute effectively to the rise of a great nation?" When I raise such question, I must admit, I am unhealhty. At the same time I fully realize that I am on a great misison: Uday of Bharat (Rise of India). " It is impossible for unhealhty people to win swaraj [self-rule]. Therefore we should no longer be guilty of the neglect of the health of our people" - Mahatma Gandhi, 1940, Implication of constructive work. ... and we must not forget that 'morals are closely linked with health. A perfectly moral person alone can achieve perfect health'. Through internet thousands of people joined BM and many other like minded organization. However, most people, including me, I find are unhealthy; physically as well as spiritually. We have no moral right to join any such organization of high ideals as BM, if we are not committed to its ideals and works. The primary reason for a large number of lethargic human mass in BM is their poor health. For instance, most people in the BM do not maintain their body-discipline, live self-indulged lifestyle and most believe that purpose of their bodily existence is self-pleasure/comfort. We find it uncomfortable to check our consumption habits and self-pride attitudes. People with such a low consciousness possess no capacity to bring large scale changes in the massive and diverse country like India. This mail is not to dishearten a group or an individual but a humble reminder of the duty towards yourself; Self-purification. How many of consciously strive to overcome our own laziness and self-indulging tendencies and lust. I have not only experienced such habit within me, but also experimented on them. At many times, I have experinced a perfect health. and I am writing this based on my experiences only. when BM was initiated We envisioned of only few hundred whole hearted, selfless and disciplined soldiers in the misison. Today we are a junk of lethargic intellectuals. I strongly believe only merely through intellect one niether can achive a strong character nor can become a compassionate human being. But through self-restrained living and self-purification one can contribute efectively in every walk of life. BM expect atleast this from you. If you finf youself unfit to be in this great mission, you are humbly request to make yourself fit and contribute effectively to the nation building. Although I am not advocating any 'ism' or 'sect' or so called religion' in worldly sense, I strongly recommend YOGA to be adopted by all well wisher of humanity in genrla and India in particular. But This should not be the end, rather it is a beginning of new emergence. We all have to emerge from our embodied self to the Universal Self. and That is the path for India's rise. We must dream to return our villages and make them a prefered place to live in all respect. How many of you made serious attempt to overcome self-indulging attitude and contribute effectively in nation building? How many of you thought of contribute someway or the other; inferiority, insecurity and self-pride are killing Indian in every walk of life. Even in Mission like BM we are facing such a problems. NO one is forcing you to be in BM, but if you are here please maintian your dignity and do something. I seriously look forward to clean up the organization,not by the use of functionary authority, which in ignorance have been used in past for the same task, but simple moral force. If your conscience are clear of an eligible BM member pleaase come forward and contribute to the missionground work: Establishment of BM Centres on the ground. but remember, try hard to attain good health and to an extent attain perfect health. THIS IS TIME FOR PRAYER AND SELF-REFLECTION! jai hind! 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