[uucdigest] Monday, January 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 103 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Gas mileage [uuc] Re: MT COTY Re: [uuc] Mobile Tradition Parts CD (Where's the E28?) Re: [uuc] How to install sway bar? [uuc] Re:Head Gasket Question [uuc] Re: MT COTY [uuc] <E30 M3> Spark plug tool [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Jim C. Intake dyno figures [uuc] Suspension modification advice. [uuc] SUSPENSION INSTALL ON E36 [uuc] <m30> motor randomly cuts out [uuc] <OT> Detroit Auto Show Pictures ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:58:39 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Gas mileage Ken asked, and others pondered: >How the hell do you get 30 MPG on the highway? Easy. Buy imperial gallons :). 35 mpg at 85-90 mph was quite typical for a '95 318is, with around 25 mpg in town. Knock a couple of mpg off when using non-premium petrol, and/or divide by 1.2 to get US figures. If only my .sig was as economical... Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone +61 2 9335 7000 and destroy the original message. Thank you." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:21:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: MT COTY Bill Weismann wrote: >It's a bunch of reasons... >1) COTY Seems fixed to me. >2) They are decidedly non-decisive. >3) They are so damned objective that it makes me sick. How about just plain and simply their history of crappy picks for Car of the Year. One that sticks in my mind...1984...the Renault Alliance....excuse me while I laugh, WAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Seen one lately? Neither have I. Carlos PS The Motor Trend TV show on Speedvision has a hot babe hosting it, rrrrrr.... I'll give em points for that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:30:51 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Mobile Tradition Parts CD (Where's the E28?) John Weese wrote: >After almost a year now, I finally have a need for locating some parts >(coolant hoses for my E28 M5), and the E28 isn't on the darn thing...why is >that? Can I get an update? My version is Version 1.2 Mar '99. Don't feel bad. On the motorcycle part of that same disc they don't include the /5 models, made from 1969-73. That's like not including the 2002! I was told in October that the new release for this year (2000) will include the E28 and that updates from that point on would be available as downloads from the web. We'll see. The announced 2002 CD repair manual is not completed yet either, though the release was announced as December '99. - -Phil Marx BMW CCA #6021 ******** Did you remember to vote in the CCA elections? Get that post card and mailing label and drop your ballot in the mail. Postage is pre-paid. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:32:58 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] How to install sway bar? > From: "Perry Shang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] How to install sway bar? > > Hi, all: > I just got my sway bars on Friday. I am planing on installing this > parts by myself. After consulting with my E36 Bentley Service Manual. It > seems like it is a very easy task. Some how, I think it is not THAT easy. > Does anybody know or see how it is installed? Any comments? Do I need > alignment after I install the parts? > > I have the whole suspension parts laying in my basement, I just want to > install piece by piece, so I know what has improved or getting worse. > > thanks in advance. > > Perry. > 95 325is sport. Front sway bar is a piece of cake, shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes. Rear sway bar really needs one of the rear springs to come out for removal clearance. To remove the spring, you need to disconnect the shock. If you're doing all that and have new shocks and springs, well, you know..... Alignment will not have to be done after installation of sway bars or shocks. However, it will be required after installation of springs. Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:35:27 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:Head Gasket Question > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Head Gasket Question > > I need some advice here, About a week ago I would start it in the morning Start what ? > > TIA > Dennis Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:58:00 -0500 From: Mark Borchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: MT COTY Just be glad that's ALL she makes you pick up for her! --- Mark B. Bill Weismann wrote: > I hate: > MT > Consumer Reports > And Cosmo because my girlfriend makes me pick it up for her and I feel > like a pervert in the checkout line. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E30 M3> Spark plug tool I picked up a used spark plug tool ($10), and having never owned such a tool, I'm curious what other tool is used in combination to turn this sucker. By the way the spring that holds the two pieces together is broken so I may either rivet the two pieces together or weld them. I have no other tools in the trunk kit, the gorilla who previously owned my car took them all out. Wonder if they're good for opening coconuts as well? ;-) I'm guessing it must be some sort of rod, perhaps the one used hold up the wheels temporarily? By the way if anyone has an extra, I'd be happy to buy it from you. Carlos 91 M3 minus tools, gorilla owned edition __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:32:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Jim C. Intake dyno figures - --- Wayne Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know, I know. I am not supposed to be posting anything about the intake > but this post is a little different than all of the others. All of the other > posts complained back and forth that there was no dyno chart of a car with > the Jim C. software AND the intake, only one or the other. Mine is different > because I just got back from a dyno session where I ran my car with the Jim > C. intake AND the stock intake (minus the plastic intake thingy at the front > because I forgot it..whoops) on the same dyno on the same day with the same > conditions. I actually made 4 runs configured like this: > > 1) Jim C. intake and hood open > 2) Jim C. intake and hood closed > 3) Stock intake WITH baffle and hood open > 4) Stock intake WITHOUT baffle and hood open > > Before I get into the results, I first want to thank Tony Devos from > International Dynamometers NZ Ltd. (http://www.dynapack.com) for bringing > the dyno for us to use. The dyno, a Dynopack 3000, is a portable one that > attaches to both the rear hubs and was pretty cool - you can read all about > it on their web site. I also want to thank Don from Autosport Performance > (201-816-0911) for hosting all of us and Steve D. from The Ultimate Garage > (http://www.ultimategarage.com/) for arranging all of this. I definitely owe a big thanks to Tony Devos who put the pedal to the metal while the car was in 5th gear and revved it up to 7000rpms =) Woo-hoo! How fast would the car be going in that gear? Man....the car is loud! A big thanks to Don Fields of Autosport. He knows a wealth of information about bimmers. Guess where my car is going when the warranty runs out? =) He had an 8 series, 318ti w/ M3 engine, Porsche up on a lift, engine block here, engine head, there, complete exhaust system hanging on the wall. Very cool. And an especially big thanks to Steve D who set aside two personal weekend days to entertain us car freaks. > First, the caveats. THIS WAS A DEMONSTRATION RUN AND THESE RESULTS ARE > CALIBRATED TO NOTHING. This is not to say that any of the information is > incorrect but all we did was hook up the car and run it - Tony told me to > make sure that it was clear that this was a demonstration. Nobody involved > had anything to gain or lose, no matter what the outcome hence, it was an > unbiased test. Personally, I have been very happy with the sound and > performance of the intake and would recommend it. The car is a 99 M3 (OBDII) > with the Jim C. software including the update for the intake and a > SuperSprint exhaust - there is no other engine work on the car, yet. A > correction factor was applied to the graph to show crank HP NOT rear wheel > HP. I am not sure exactly what the correction was but maybe Chester can > comment on that when he gets home. Yes, these weren't controlled conditions. No one had a barometer or thermometer. What we were after was a feel for the relative gains. Here's a breakdown (bulleted form): Wayne's car: - - 99 M3/2 (11,000 miles, right?) - - Supersprint exhaust - - JimC intake - - JimC software - - JTD tranny brace My car: - - 99 M3/2 (almost 17,000 miles) - - AA exhaust - - JimC software The correction factor was 18% so just divide the HP numbers by 1.18. <snip> > What does all of this mean? First, the answer to everyone's question: there > is about a 10-11 HP increase at the crank with the Jim C. intake over the > stock intake. Second, all of you that "felt" that you car was much faster > with the baffle removed were wrong. Yup...just the placebo effect of hearing the car more I guess. Too bad we didn't have the snorkel to fit to the car as well. > When you see the graph, you will notice > that the curve with the baffle is a HAIR better than the curve without it. > Third, removing everything gave a nice increase but Chester has the details > about that so I will let him tell the tale. Don suggested that we bypass the mass airflow sensor altogether. So he unfastened the hose clamp and let the little corner elbow connected to the throttle body breathe freely. This setup triggered a check engine fault of course, but Don had the equipment to set me straight afterwards. With the change, we saw a consistent 3-4 HP increase at the crank going to a peak gain of 10 HP (crank) gain at ~6000 rpms. Don spoke so fast and mentioned how the computer will recognize the "bad" MAF and set the water temp to 88 degrees celsius (I think) and will run well. He also mentioned something about limp mode and that the ideal scenario would be to get the OBDII computer to run at the above conditions without entering the limp mode. Without any airbox whatsoever, my HP plot looks very similar to Wayne's w/ the JimC intake. Would my car have benefitted from the JimC intake? I dunno....it would have been nice to swap it around, but we didn't want to take up the guys' time. Would my car have benefitted if I simply removed the paper air filter in one of the runs? I dunno....something we forgot to do to see the airflow reduction of the better filtering medium. DAMN! Hopefully someone 'round here will buy one of these bad boys ($50k) and we can have some more fun =) At any rate, I was quite suprised to see 220 ~ 229 HP at the rear wheels! Oh my gawd! Should that figure be something I should be proud of? About the Dynos: In order to use these dynos, you remove the rear wheels and bolt on these auto centering hub adapters. Once these are on, they slide the adapters into a receiving end of a 300 - 400 (or more!) box. Once that happens, the remove the supporting device and the car sits as if it was on wheels, but it's not. They start the car up and start off in 5th gear. I believe there is no load on the wheels until you hit 3000 rpms (I think this setting is user adjustable). Once you hit that point, the dynos "grab" and apply drag on the wheels to hold it at 3000rpms. Even with the operators foot with the pedal to the metal, the dynos hold it at a specified rpm. Once the testing begins, the rpms increase in 100 rpms increments until you hit the user selectable limit (in our case 7000 rpms). Very cool. One thing everyone noticed was a little engine shake when first starting the test. No doubt from trying to spin the wheels in 5th gear and the shortened clutch throw from my UUC clutch stop ;) But Wayne's engine didn't move nearly as much. Perhaps from the JTD brace? I dunno. There was also a strange almost diesel like sound coming from my engine bay area during the testing. I dunno. It seemed to be independent of engine rpm, but certainly followed a certain frequency (once every half to full second). Any ideas? I also had a chance to hear engine pinging courtesy of some of the E30M3s there. =) Man, those car literally stunk! Maybe they didn't have cats or something, but many spewed black smoke and made me run outside for a breathe of fresh air. Wayne and my car? No stink! =) He he.... Also, when I first arrived at the shop, I saw a nice Techno Violet '98 M3 w/ a '95 OBDI engine transplant (bored and stroked to 3.5L) w/ a RMS supercharged/aftercooled setup. Whoa! I think we saw 340HP at the rear wheels (or maybe crank...I dunno). The supercharger was also quieter than Alex Demsky's unit. Something about it being a newer design. Disappointment for the day: Some dude brought a '84 or '87 Ferrari there to dyno. Spent all this time trying to figure out how to get the car in the air only to realize that the hub adapters won't fit because the wheel bolts are too long! Poseur of the day: Some 318i that was involved in an accident that had all the M3 body panels and then some installed. What were they thinking? Surprise of the day: A brand spanking new carbon black '00 M5 rolled in. Only 250 miles on that baby. I was glad to meet a bunch of you. ttyl, Chester Sorry for the delay. I had such a headache from waking up early and then sniffing all that crap from those damn E30s =) With the new found HP numbers, Wayne and I reached 25 mph on the Turnpike. What a hoot. Yes Wayne, ya lost me after you cut that semi off.... =) ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:33:44 -0800 From: Jim Ettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Suspension modification advice. Hello, I am new to this list. I am looking for advice on improving the handling of my car. I recently purchased a 323Ci (E46) with the sport package. I don't plan to drive the car on the track. This is my daily driver and I want to maintain a comfort level. The factory's sport package handling is not precise enough for me. I would appreciate advice from people on this list on how to improve the handling. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:47:59 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] SUSPENSION INSTALL ON E36 HI TO ALL! here's the deal...I have a 1995 E36 4-door 325i. I aquired a complete M3 suspension (well, mostly complete...but that's another story! didn't get the rear springs!) from a 97 M3 a few months ago and i'm finally going to have it installed. By complete i mean not only the shocks, springs, swawbars...but also front control arms, brakes,etc and complete rear assembly including diff carrier, brakes, etc... so onto my questions: from what i've been able to find out...but i'm not positive....i should be able to use my existing halfshafts with the rear m3 trailing arms? supposedly the splines from the shafts are the same in both the 325i and the m3? can anyone confirm?.....the rear wheel bearing are diff...so i wonder if its possible? i have heard that i could keep my existing diff...change the drive flanges to m3 flanges and then use m3 shafts...but if i can...i'd prefer just to keep my existing flanges and shafts.. now, although i have access to both a lift, air tools, etc...i don't have the time to tackle this project myself...although i know i'd love to! and even if i did have the time....installing the front isn't an intimidating project...but the rear...little more so... so i can either take it to my dealer to get the work done...or does anyone know a good mechanic in the northern nj area that could do a job like this?...if so, please let me know... thanks in advance! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:13:05 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <m30> motor randomly cuts out Still have a random cut-out problem in the ol' supercar. Replaced main relay, fuel pump relay. When it cuts out, the tach drops (even though the engine is still coasting in gear) but the other gages remain unchanged. Motor always re-fires in a second. It seems that either the DME or the engine speed sensor are flaking. Any "been there done that" comments? Are speed sensors known to go bad? Are DME units known to fail randomly like that? FWIW, the engine is a euro 3.5 from a '83 735 - Motronic 1.0 "011" unit. No known wiring problems - grounds ok, cannot make it cut out by physically whacking things or tugging on wiring harnesses. Any suggestions appreciated... - -- John Bolhuis | "In America it is not considered to be mentally ill bolhuijo | when a woman advances on her prey in a discotheque @bolhuijo.com | setting with hardy cocktails present." | -Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Detroit Auto Show Pictures Here's another website with some great pics including some really nice ones of the new M3. Check it out: http://members.xoom.com/jason323Ci/detroit_auto_show.htm Thomas Koch NY Chapter CCA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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