[uucdigest] Monday, January 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 108 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] M635 - when? [uuc] <misc>Photo-Radar in Montgomery County, MD Re: [uuc] thermostat housing Re: [uuc] <misc>Photo-Radar in Montgomery County, MD Re: [uuc] Busted Hirschman Antenna Re: [uuc] thermostat housing [uuc] 1994 325is for sale Re: [uuc] thermostat housing [uuc] RE: thermostat housing [uuc] FS: 17 TSW wheels Re: [uuc] thermostat housing Re: [uuc] <misc>Photo-Radar in Montgomery County, MD [uuc] Re: Weekend Mechanic's Car ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:05:47 -0600 From: "Harmon W. Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M635 - when? The M635CSi was definitely available in Spring 1985 - after attending the International Council of BMW Clubs meeting at Nurburgring/Rothenburg, the factory let me have one for a couple of hours. It was parked in a roped off, guarded area at the factory in Munich. The guard had to see my driver's license - someone "upstairs" had called him to release the car to me. Took it out on A9 toward Nurnberg for about 50 miles - traffic was heavy, but finally had clear space and got to about 145 before we hit a thunderstorm. That was it - no more personal land speed record attempt in the wet. Harmon Fischer BMW CCA # 1806 M3 F - Dakar mit LWT decals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <misc>Photo-Radar in Montgomery County, MD Hi All: Quick note on the Photo-Radar thread. I didn't think this part of Maryland was using this, until today. Heading up Old Georgetown Rd from downtown Bethesda towards Rockville. About 50 feet before the intersection of Old Georgetown and Edison/Poindexter, on the side of the road, right by the sidewalk. Two posts, one with a square box, containing what appeared to be one or two lenses and a large silverish device...looked just like the old external type of flash reporters used on their cameras in the 50's....all behind a plexiglass type of shield. The other post was behind it, about 10 feet or so, and was more rectangular, with two openings (lenses?) on it. Both about 15 feet in the air, and angled at the intersection. Didn't appear to be an unusually busy or dangerous intersection. Go figure. I can't say I'm an habitual red-light runner, but there have been occassions when I have gone through a yellow that went to red quicker than other lights on the same street/strip of road. In effect, I guess I ran a red light. I will be more careful in the future, but hopefully the anti-photo plate I ordered from radarbusters.com will assist me in the event that the camera's are perhaps timed a bit too fast. Ron Browne Bowie, MD PS..friend was nabbed in Baltimre by a camera last month. $75 ticket. She reported a strong flash, and was promptly sent pictures. One of the rear plate, and two of the front hood/windshield. ===== ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:23:43 -0600 (CST) From: Jefrem Iwaniw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] thermostat housing On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeff Schnellinger wrote: [snip] > In a normal system, the coolant only flows when the thermostat opens. Bzzt - wrong. Coolant only flows *through the radiator* when the thermostat opens (actually, that's not entirely true, either, but it is for the purposes of this discussion). The water pump is continually pumping coolant through the block, and sometimes through the radiator, too. > In the time it is closed, the coolant in the rest of the system cools > down some. Then when the thermostat opens, the cooler liquid circulates > and cools the engine. Basically, yes. In actuality, once the motor is "warmed-up", the thermostat is almost constantly either closing or opening. > However, if the coolant flows constantly, and the > cooling of the liquid can not keep up, the system temperature will > increase. Then there is something else wrong with the cooling system that has nothing to do with the thermostat. An open thermostat will *not* cause a car to overheat all by itself. > Imagine siting in traffic, with no breeze or air flow through > the radiator. That's what radiator fans are for.... - -jefrem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:28:32 -0500 From: "James Sheridan-Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <misc>Photo-Radar in Montgomery County, MD > PS..friend was nabbed in Baltimre by a camera last > month. $75 ticket. She reported a strong flash, and > was promptly sent pictures. One of the rear plate, and > two of the front hood/windshield. The intersection near PSINet Stadium/Camden Yards on the road that becomes the Baltimore-Washington Parkway has photo radar set up and working. I've seen it fire on one occasion and it appeared (to my dim recollection) to be a dual-flash setup. Seemed like the first flash was lower intensity than the second which came 1/2 second later. I'm real good about red lights in general (in Toronto, where I'm originally from, people can and do actually make safe left turns on yellows - imagine that! <g>) but I'm especially careful there. Wouldn't surprise me if this is the same spot she got caught at. - -- James Sheridan-Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] '98 323is National Capital Chapter '85 RX-7 GSL #?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:32:52 -0600 From: Dog-n-Hog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Busted Hirschman Antenna Replacement masts (with attached gear cords) are available from BMPDesign or Crutchfield for ~$10-$20, in chrome or black. Norm Chip Baines wrote: > > Last year I replaced the power antenna in my '86 528e with one from > Hirschman, purchased from Bavarian AutoSport. It's worked well for a > year, right up to the cold snap that we had here in the northeast last > week. The outside temp was around 0 degrees F, and when the antenna > retracted one of the plastic gears inside snapped - lost a couple of > teeth. My guess is that in the cold the plastic turned brittle and > couldn't take the stress when the antenna bottomed out. So now the > motor just turns and turns without the mast going anywhere. I took it > apart over the weekend and found the broken gear. > > Anyone ever tried to repair one of these things? Anyone have a > disemboweled antenna sitting around the'd like to sell for parts? Other > suggestions for how to get this part? I'd hate to have to buy a whole > new antenna just because of a couple of missing teeth on a gear. TIA. > > -Chip Baines > BMW CCA > '86 528e > '97 328iC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:32:38 -0500 From: Jeff Schnellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] thermostat housing Jefrem Iwaniw wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeff Schnellinger wrote: > [snip] > > In a normal system, the coolant only flows when the thermostat opens. > > Bzzt - wrong. Coolant only flows *through the radiator* when the > thermostat opens (actually, that's not entirely true, either, but it > is for the purposes of this discussion). The water pump is > continually pumping coolant through the block, and sometimes through > the radiator, too. > This is what I meant.... > > In the time it is closed, the coolant in the rest of the system cools > > down some. Then when the thermostat opens, the cooler liquid circulates > > and cools the engine. > > Basically, yes. In actuality, once the motor is "warmed-up", the > thermostat is almost constantly either closing or opening. > Agreed. The thermostat is attempting to hold the system temperature at the thermostat value. > > However, if the coolant flows constantly, and the > > cooling of the liquid can not keep up, the system temperature will > > increase. > > Then there is something else wrong with the cooling system that has > nothing to do with the thermostat. An open thermostat will *not* > cause a car to overheat all by itself. > Probably not in most cases when a system is functioning normall. > > Imagine siting in traffic, with no breeze or air flow through > > the radiator. > > That's what radiator fans are for.... Until they fail.... especially the electric ones.. > > -jefrem Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:35:10 -0500 From: "Abdoul Aziz Boubacar Wane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 1994 325is for sale 5 speed manual Boston Green 112k miles (frequent Washington - New York trips) Best Offer Over $16,500 Location: Bethesda MD All options incl. heated seats, ASC, cruise control; Extremely well maintained. Recent Inspection II. New Belts, Bosch Platinum+4 plugs, Mobil One every 2500 miles; Never raced or tracked. Upgrades: Fenders upgraded to include side markers Lowered springs : Sprint (on car) and an extra set of H&Rs (stock also available) Side skirts a la 328i Racing Dynamics M3 bumpers Racing Dynamics Exhaust - Stock M3 available ( MAYBE!!!) CD Changer Conforti Chip - Stock inlcuded free Intake: Choice of DINAN Cold Air Intake, ROAR Filter, K&N custom (stock available free) 17" chrome wheels or "tired" contours very good cond. Pirelly p7000 tires ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] thermostat housing > > That's what radiator fans are for.... > > Until they fail.... especially the electric ones.. Whoa. Back the truck up a little. We're not talking about electric fans or what have you. Basically, what it boiled down to was the website had incorrectly phrased their advertisement. A thermostat stuck open will not cause the engine to overheat. Now if you're talking about being stuck in traffic and your radiator fan goes, then you're SOL irregardless of whether your thermostat is functioning or stuck open. I think we don't need to discuss this anymore. The weird thing is that these people are selling the housing for $70 and Steve D sells an aftermarket one for $2 more than the stock plastic part. Guess which one I'd buy? Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:42:19 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: thermostat housing Jeff Schnellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> confuses: > > Jefrem Iwaniw wrote: > > > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeff Schnellinger wrote: > > > Situation 1 happens when the car is moving. ( had this > > > happen to me ) > > > > > > Situation 2 happens when the car is stationary and > > > doesn't benefit from the added cooling of the radiator > > > while the car is in motion. > > > > Huh? Moe's right -- when a thermostat is stuck "open" (i.e. allows > > coolant to flow through radiator all the time) a car will not > > overheat unless there are other issues with the cooling system. > > My guess of the statements in the website is that they are the > > result of poor editing (e.g. overheating is the result of a stuck- > > closed thermostat). > > > In a normal system, the coolant only flows when the thermostat opens. true. > In the time it is closed, the coolant in the rest of the system cools > down some. false. > Then when the thermostat opens, the cooler liquid circulates > and cools the engine. Jeff, Sounds like you are reversing the thermostat functionality. Closed thermostat blocks the coolant from flowing through the radiator (cooling) and NOT the engine (in$tant overheating). When a thermostat is closed, the coolant is trapped in the engine. This helps the engine to warm up and reach operating temperature faster when you first start the car. When a thermostat opens (80C on most bimmers, but depends on the thermostat rating), the coolant is flowing through the radiator and is cooling. With a thermostat stuck in the open position, the car will take forever to warm up and may only reach operating temp while standing (no airflow to cool the radiator). > However, if the coolant flows constantly, and the cooling > of the liquid can not keep up, the system temperature will > increase. Imagine siting in traffic, with no breeze or air > flow through the radiator. > > > Jeff > > > > > > > Moe Drippins wrote: > > > > For my own information, how can point 1 and 3 both be > > > > true? I would've though a failed thermostat in the > > > > open position would cause a car to run too cool > > > > [point 1], not hot [point 3]. > > > > -jefrem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:46:46 US/Central From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] FS: 17 TSW wheels For Sale: One set (4) of chrome TSW VX-1 wheels - 17" by 8". Three months old and in like new condition. These wheels fit all pre-97 5, 6, and 7 series. Cost over $1300, sell for $810. Pictures available on request. Thanks, Bill Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: Moe Drippins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] thermostat housing Jeff Schnellinger writes: > This is correct. However, if the cooling system cannot release the > heat generated fast enough, it will overheat. The system should > reach an equilibrium that is below the overheating threshold, but > may not be able to depending on the condition of the system. That is my understanding, but the thermo stuck open wouldn't be one of those conditions, I wouldn't imagine. But, to sum up, the web site SEEMS to be wrong, or at least misleading. It doesn't appear to me that a thermo stuck OPEN would, in and of itself, cause overheating, nor even contribute to it. - -- Just Moe '95 540 6 speed, BL/SS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: Moe Drippins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <misc>Photo-Radar in Montgomery County, MD Ron Browne writes: > from radarbusters.com will assist me in the event that > the camera's are perhaps timed a bit too fast. A friend of mine from the UK noted that over across the pond, these things are ineffectual and (at least where he is from), illegal. So not only do they digitally get your license plate ANYWAY, you get one ticket for the initial offense, and another for having the plate obscurer, the latter somewhat more expensive. Caveat emptor - -- Just Moe '95 540 6 speed, BL/SS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:02:01 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Weekend Mechanic's Car Hi Owen: Tools. No matter how many you have, you always need more. Doesn't matter what kind of car you have, my friend. : ) You need a 32mm open end wrench to get the fan blade off. Remember: It's left-handed thread (that's righty-lucy, lefty-tighty for you necktie types). Hex bit sockets? Where you been, man? Bimmers born since the early to mid-1980s have no shortage of hex bolts. Hell, 2002s and 320i's had their share of 'em. BMW has been using these things since the Soviets (remember them?) were parking ICBMs off the cost of North Carolina. (UUC spooks: Are they still doing that?) You need a whole set of these things, not just a few. The smallest I've needed is about 4mm, the largest 14mm, so that should give you an idea of what set to buy. I'm sorry -- I forget which exact ones you need for belts on an eta. BTW, you do know about changing the timing belt on an eta, right? Gotta do that. Every 50K or 5 years is a good, safe interval. The water pump and cam seal are good attendent services. Neither a 32mm open end, nor hex bit sockets are special tools. A special tool is what you need to install camshafts in an M42, just so. A special tool is what you need to get the rear subframe bushings out of that E30. A special tool is what you need to depress the valve springs on an S14 engine. A special tool has a BMW part number and costs LOTS of money, instead of just lots. Best regards, Mike Miller ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #108 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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