[uucdigest] Tuesday, January 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 112 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? [uuc] [E36] Poor radio reception fix? [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] Kuhmo & Yoks??? [uuc] Re: tires for BMW [uuc] FW: E28: Power locks dead after dull knife surgery [uuc] '98 M3 Sedan For Sale (Atlanta) Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] Kuhmo & Yoks??? Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? WOB Rant Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? [uuc] RE: Making a newer BMW handle/feel like a 'classic' BMW [uuc] Caddy Escalade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:06:07 -0500 From: Chaz Yoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? The E46 M3 is speculated to be an inline 6 with an output of approximately 340 HP. Some concerns have been raised that this increase in HP would result in only a moderate increase in performance over the E36 M3 due to the increased weight of the E46. The rumored V-8 test mule was only a test, if anything at all. No one really knows anything about the real price of the car. Best guess estimates are $45k sticker, about a $5k increase over the E36. Some people have speculated that it might be even higher than that, at $50k. With this in mind, some people have made it known to BMW representatives that they would not buy it if it was more than $45k. BMWNA representatives, at the Detroit Auto Show, are rumored to have said that they know the MSRP, but are not disclosing it at this time. Supplies are sketchy. Some people have but in their deposits already, and many dealers already have 5-10 people with deposits down, mostly refundable deposits, and mostly in the $500-$1000 range. My personal take on it is that it's going to be a production car and there will be many of them available, so waiting will only affect the people who want the car in the first six months. A current rumor on bimmer.org is indicating that initial dealer availability will be similar to the E39 M5, forcing people to wait quite some time, perhaps for the first 18 months. But if they expect to sell more E46 M3s than the E36 M3, they will have to ramp up supply to meet demand and you should be able to find several on the lot after six months or so. Check bimmer.org for the latest rumors and speculation. Take it with a grain of salt, too. Chaz On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 07:14:46AM -0500, Colin S Whelan wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew the approximate price (best guess) for the > new E46 M3. > I'd imagine that it would have to be significantly more expensive than the > current M3 with > the euro 3.4L 340 hp I-6 (or even a V-8!). Basically, anyone heard a > range? 45-50k base??? > > Just starting to save my pennies...and want to know how big of a piggy bank > I should buy! > > Also, I heard of one dealer taking deposits and the other told me not until > the spring. > > Thanks, > Colin > '93 325is M-Technik, JC, Bilstein, M3-mufflered, ram-air... > > - -- Chaz Yoon http://christabel.mit.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:36:32 -0500 From: "Bill Bauman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [E36] Poor radio reception fix? Hi all, First off, I'd like to express my great appreciation to fellow digester Chris Blumenthal for all the assistance he offered me with troubleshooting the radio antenna in my 328is. And also to Perrin Yang (another digester) for letting me tear apart his car to test out my antenna pre-amp in his car. After much diagnosis work with the help of Chris, it was beginning to sound like the antenna itself in my car was the culprit. That means replacing the rear window. Well, I took it into the dealer today, and they told me there is a TSB for this problem. This is the first time they have ever seen it, though. They ordered a new antenna cable, which should be here in about 10 days. I was in a hurry to get to work, so I didn't ask them for more details. If this solves the problem, I will get more details and part numbers and will post the info here. Bill Bauman '97 328is - hopefully with tunes in ten days Genesee Valley Chapter P.S. Sorry I didn't cc you on this Rob Mudry(sp?) - your e-mail address in on my computer at home. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:41:16 -0500 From: robert l kollar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] Kuhmo & Yoks??? Carter Chides.... >I was co-driving with Holland Hale at Mid Ohio last October in his J Stock >E30 M3. I saw your driver door and left front fender. You're not kidding! >;-) <grin> >Also, (still grinning and kidding you a little, all in good fun) you finished >25th overall and first in I stock. We finished 18th overall and first in >J-stock, the next SLOWER class. In all fairness though you did a 1:46:7 and >Holland did a 1:47:0. I did a 1:47:3 in Holland's car (not having been in a >rear drive car on-track in 7 years). You also did a 2:20:2 on lap >29.....oops! Is this an example of "you never know what can happen to you in >a race?" LOL ! Aahhh Grasshoppa Carter...while we are still chidding here, check the time sheets for the saturday sprint race. ;) I finished 6 places ahead of that demon M3 you guys were piloting. <g> That whole weekend was a weekend of "shit happens" for me. I was having a serious debate with my ABS the whole time. I was under the impression that it should be a full time participant in the race. However, Mr. ABS decided he needed to take a few breaks from the action at inopportune times and not let me know about it until I was so deep in a corner that no amount of modulation could save my ass. That's what happened to my door. Then in the enduro that's what happened to me on lap 29 causing that 2:20 lap time. That's racin. The really sad thing is I had more misadventures in Sebring a few weeks ago. Wait till the sheets on that are public! In the enduro I had fast lap in the 2:34s. Great race running hard with Turnage and Massari for 6th place. However we had a little problem in the pits causing an 8 minute pit stop and I ended up 19th. Now THAT looks funny on paper. I'm like 4-5 seconds a lap faster than all the cars I finished near. Once again-that's racin' Hopefully I'll shed these gremlins. Lastlty, hopefully some novice or rookie racer got some good info from the original post. The topic was novice enough for me to not think about who was asking the question. It didn't dawn on me who you were until hours after I hit send. Oh well, I should be asking YOU for advice with my racing career. Come on down to Kershaw that first weekend in February with POC. There's actually a "race" group which mean open passing for cars with a log book and a license. If not we'll have some beers at VIR in May. See ya- Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:38:22 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: tires for BMW I usually try not to waste BW but I have an old joke I could not hold back any longer. Did you hear Hoosier and Yokohama were merging? Yeah, there gonna be called hoos your mama! Sorry for the WOBW. Brian Jacobs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:43:41 -0500 From: "Phemister, George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] FW: E28: Power locks dead after dull knife surgery - ---------- <<<<<<"Scottie Sharpe" asks: Subject: [uuc] E28: Power locks dead after dull knife surgery Hi everyone, Almost finished with the fix-em-up tasks on the '85 535i I picked up a couple months ago. Just a few sizable tasks left like the A/C and the broken subframe steering box support (anyone ever encounter this??). The issue at hand this weekend is the power door locks. They aren't working. If I activate the driver's door lock from the inside, I can hear the relay quietly clicking in the box in the passenger footwell, but no door lock<<snip>>>>>>>>> Try removing the relay and carefully cleaning the pins and sockets on the connector - they tend to corrode. Sounds like a "central" problem if none of the actuators is moving. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:56:21 -0500 From: David Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] '98 M3 Sedan For Sale (Atlanta) My '98 M3 sedan is for sale. Arctic Silver w/ gray leather. 5-speed w/ UUC Motorwerks "Competition" short shifter. Jim Conforti OBD-II software upgrade. Heated power seats, cruise control, on board computer, sunroof, Harmon Kardon audio upgrade, 6-disc CD changer, BMW alarm, floor mats. This car has been garaged at night and is in covered parking during the day. It is in mint condition w/ no door dings. Only 21k miles (no track). Located in Atlanta. Asking $37k obo. - -Dave Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:00:59 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] Kuhmo & Yoks??? Robbie wrote: >That whole weekend was a weekend of "shit happens" for me. I was having a >serious debate with my ABS the whole time. I was under the impression that >it should be a full time participant in the race. However, Mr. ABS decided >he needed to take a few breaks from the action at inopportune times and not >let me know about it until I was so deep in a corner that no amount of >modulation could save my ass. That's what happened to my door. Then in >the enduro that's what happened to me on lap 29 causing that 2:20 lap time. >That's racin. Jack Money and I were spectating at that race, we thought you were flipped over somewhere or worst. We were very glad to see you on track back again after a couple a minutes. >Once again-that's >racin' Hopefully I'll shed these gremlins. Are you calling Mike a gremlin? ;-) Carlos 91 M3 w/225/50 Kumhos <---note spellin' :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:10:38 -0800 From: Tom Tcimpidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? My dealer, who usually is pretty savvy on such things, indicated that the working numbers that have been hearing are just a small click under 50K base and the low to mid 50s with the options that most would want. Definitely in a different price league than the E36 M3... And BMWNA is telling them adamantly, "No V8!" Apparently the feeling is that with the V8 it would need to sell for 60K and at that price, no one would buy it (I think they are right). Colin S Whelan wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew the approximate price (best guess) for the > new E46 M3. > I'd imagine that it would have to be significantly more expensive than the > current M3 with > the euro 3.4L 340 hp I-6 (or even a V-8!). Basically, anyone heard a > range? 45-50k base??? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:14:27 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? If I were running BMWNA I would price the new E46 M3 relatively high (near $50K or even more depending on cost and supply constraints for the engine) to keep its image high. Then market the new 3.0 liter version with the sport package as the replacement for the old M3 and for those that want an automatic. Fewer M3 sales would result but possibly more BMW sales overall. Cadillac made the grave mistake of cheapening their car beginning in the 70's. The result was cannibalized Buick and Olds sales and a loss of the top end of the market. I think the US E36 M3 was a mistake. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The E46 M3 is speculated to be an inline 6 with an output of > approximately 340 HP. Some concerns have been raised that this > increase in HP would result in only a moderate increase in performance > over the E36 M3 due to the increased weight of the E46. The rumored > V-8 test mule was only a test, if anything at all. > > No one really knows anything about the real price of the car. Best > guess estimates are $45k sticker, about a $5k increase over the > E36. Some people have speculated that it might be even higher than > that, at $50k. With this in mind, some people have made it known to > BMW representatives that they would not buy it if it was more than > $45k. BMWNA representatives, at the Detroit Auto Show, are rumored to > have said that they know the MSRP, but are not disclosing it at this > time. > > Supplies are sketchy. Some people have but in their deposits already, > and many dealers already have 5-10 people with deposits down, mostly > refundable deposits, and mostly in the $500-$1000 range. My personal > take on it is that it's going to be a production car and there will be > many of them available, so waiting will only affect the people who > want the car in the first six months. A current rumor on bimmer.org is > indicating that initial dealer availability will be similar to the E39 > M5, forcing people to wait quite some time, perhaps for the first 18 > months. But if they expect to sell more E46 M3s than the E36 M3, they > will have to ramp up supply to meet demand and you should be able to > find several on the lot after six months or so. > > Check bimmer.org for the latest rumors and speculation. Take it with a > grain of salt, too. > > Chaz > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 07:14:46AM -0500, Colin S Whelan wrote: > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew the approximate price (best guess) for the > > new E46 M3. > > I'd imagine that it would have to be significantly more expensive than the > > current M3 with > > the euro 3.4L 340 hp I-6 (or even a V-8!). Basically, anyone heard a > > range? 45-50k base??? > > > > Just starting to save my pennies...and want to know how big of a piggy bank > > I should buy! > > > > Also, I heard of one dealer taking deposits and the other told me not until > > the spring. > > > > Thanks, > > Colin > > '93 325is M-Technik, JC, Bilstein, M3-mufflered, ram-air... > > > > > > -- > Chaz Yoon > http://christabel.mit.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:46:12 -0600 From: "John F Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? WOB Rant You know, every other day there seems to be a report on TV or an article in the newspaper about how inflation is the lowest it's ever been and it's been that way for ages. Well, I don't know about you, but I think that's bunk! I could list off a dozen things that have increased significantly in price - well outpacing the inflation numbers. Items this digest might care about include gasoline - which historically drops in price in the US during the winter. The exact opposite has been happening this year. Now let's look at the new M3. (I know it's a luxury good and with the economy in high gear (don't get me started on that) those goods are most susceptible to price fluctuations.) First off, I'll admit that I'm one of the crazy people who've put a deposit down on the E46 M3. When I hear people speaking about the possible price of the new M3 in the fifties, I start thinking, "heck, I may as well just buy a 911 and be done with it." Then I remember that a 911 is $75-80k for a NA version now. What's going on with the world? I know the stock market has been good to some people, but my broad-based portfolio hasn't mirrored the NASDAQ's gains and my employer hasn't seen fit to raise my salary to the levels seemingly dictated by this "booming" economy. Whew. Sorry for the rant if you read this far. - - John '97 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:56:55 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] [UCC] E46 M3 - Price on new M3?? At 55K you can get a damn nice AMG Merc or Audi with a V8 and Quattro. Too bad BMW can't figure out how to sell cars as economically as the other Germans. But then again, hiring talent like the recently departed ///M-Boy, it doesn't surprise me at all. Jim Tom Tcimpidis wrote: > > My dealer, who usually is pretty savvy on such things, indicated that the > working numbers that have been hearing are just a small click under 50K base > and the low to mid 50s with the options that most would want. Definitely in a > different price league than the E36 M3... And BMWNA is telling them > adamantly, "No V8!" Apparently the feeling is that with the V8 it would need > to sell for 60K and at that price, no one would buy it (I think they are > right). > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:17:17 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Making a newer BMW handle/feel like a 'classic' BMW "Christopher Graff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: > Having driven an E28, an E30, and an E36 back-to-back-to-back > at one time, I can tell you that the newer BMW's have a much > different feeling. > > First, the older cars don't have the sound deadening, or > cushioning newer cars have. Not to mention the noise and > vibration isolation built into the body. This refinement is > good. Newer chassis are MUCH, MUCH stiffer and do not flex to > the extent the older ones do. BUT, the isolation built into > the newer cars take away from the "directness" or feeling of > the older cars. I mean you don't hear road noise, wind roar, > and engine noise in new cars, but you do in older ones. To > some, this is a better driving "experience." Chris, I hear you, brother. Lets slay the sole-less E46 monster! We'll start by drilling holes through the gutless E46 body. This will bring back plenty of road/engine noise, wind roar, reduced body stiffness. If that doesn't have the desired effect, lets tear apart some door/window insulation. Miss the good old body roll? Downgrade your shocks/springs. Install a wimpy roll bars. 14" wheels with wimpy tires are a must (good tires are not available in that size). Bust the engine/transmission mounts/guibo => plenty of vibrations to "enhance" your driving experience. Not enough? Put another 100K miles on the car. Now everything that was made of rubber is starting to fall apart. Everything made of metal is beginning to fatigue/wear out. Now you will have as much fan as we, E30 owners, do chasing E36/46 cars ;-) alex f ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:50:19 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Caddy Escalade Sorry to bring Cadillac up again, but I just saw an ad in our local Business Journal newspaper. It has the heading: REWARD. 2000 Cadillac Escalade <picture of junk here> The Cadillac Escalade represents a new generation of luxury automobile created from German engineering and Cadillac's styling legacy. The fusion of Design & Technology <end> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Alex Cagann 88///M5<--German engineered ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #112 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
