[uucdigest] Tuesday, January 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 114 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] RE: Advice needed: E36 M3/4 Brake Upgrade and Spare Parts [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Advice needed: E36 M3/4 Brake Upgrade and Spare Parts [uuc] RE: [E36M3] Advice needed: E36 M3/4 Brake Upgrade and Spare Parts [uuc] need front spoiler/air dam [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 [uuc] BMW prices bloating? Audi stealing lunch? Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 Re: [uuc] Re: E36 M3 Check Engine Light [uuc] RE: Making a newer BMW handle/feel like a 'classic' BMW RE: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 Re: [uuc] BMW prices bloating? Audi stealing lunch? Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 [uuc] RE: ABS Switch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:25:53 -0500 From: "Heckendorf, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Advice needed: E36 M3/4 Brake Upgrade and Spare Parts Also, now that we can't order from Stephen@South Motors (major bummer!!!!), were to get the Euro Floaters (Nick Alexander?)? What about the PF90s? Thx, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:35:51 +0000 From: Jeff Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Advice needed: E36 M3/4 Brake Upgrade and Spare Parts Go to: http://www.big-mall.com/porterfield-brakes.com for the PF90's Fronts: PFC394 $136.40 Rears: PFC 396 $154.00 Be sure to mention the E36M3 Group Purchase deal. Jeff Wagner Dave Heckendorf wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade the brakes would like advice (and part number > verification) for the following > > 1) Fischer Stainless-Steel Brake Lines > 2) European floating front rotors > PN 34-11-2-227-738 > 34-11-2-227-737 > 3) Set of OEM (Jurid or ??Pagid??) pads for the street > 4) Set of PF90 pads for the track > 5) ATE Super Blue (2 liters should be sufficient for a full flush with some > to spare on an E36 M3/4, right?) > 6) Spare Parts (let me know of any other common ones I may have missed) > Brake caliper clips front 34-11-2-227-670 (2) > Brake caliper clips rear 34-11-2-227-671 (2) ***Could PN# be > 34-_2_1-2-227-671 ??*** > Hex guide bolts on calipers (same front and rear) 34-11-1-157-041 > (4) > Plastic hex bolt covers (same front and rear) 34-11-1-154-979 (2) > Brake wear sensor front 34-35-2-227-985 (1) ***Could PN# be > 34-35-2-227-_3_85 ??*** > Brake wear sensor rear 34-35-1-181-344 (1) > Caliper bracket bolts ??? (2) > Rotor retaining screw ??? (4) > ***Anything missing or incorrect PN#s??*** > > I've already ordered all of the above from Steve D' today (except the Euro > Floating Rotors and PF90s as Steve D' doesn't carry them) . Have I missed > anything important??? I don't want to get half-way into the change out and > find I'm missing something... > > TIA, > Dave > > _____________________________________________________________ > Check out the new and improved Topica site! > http://www.topica.com/t/13 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:36:08 -0800 From: "Bassett, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: [E36M3] Advice needed: E36 M3/4 Brake Upgrade and Spare Parts > I'm trying to upgrade the brakes would like advice (and part number > verification) for the following > > 1) Fischer Stainless-Steel Brake Lines Good choice. I have 'em & like 'em. > 2) European floating front rotors > PN 34-11-2-227-738 > 34-11-2-227-737 I found I warped these on the track just as easily as the $90/pair (locally) Brembos. Guess which ones I use as track rotors now :-) > 3) Set of OEM (Jurid or ??Pagid??) pads for the street > 4) Set of PF90 pads for the track Yep, same here. > 5) ATE Super Blue (2 liters should be sufficient for a full > flush with some to spare on an E36 M3/4, right?) Yes. You also know that ATE TYP200 is the same stuff, just gold in color, to aid in flushing, right? (Color change is helpful in telling when the old fluid is out.) > 6) Spare Parts (let me know of any other common ones I may > have missed) > Brake caliper clips front 34-11-2-227-670 (2) > Brake caliper clips rear 34-11-2-227-671 (2) ***Could PN# be > 34-_2_1-2-227-671 ??*** Should be "11" - I just ordered some from Stephen (one of his last Internet orders :-( ). I can double-check my receipt tonight if you like. > Brake wear sensor front 34-35-2-227-985 (1) ***Could PN# be > 34-35-2-227-_3_85 ??*** > Brake wear sensor rear 34-35-1-181-344 (1) I don't bother with the wear sensors. Swapping pads in & out several time a month makes them superfulous(sp?). I've just tied them out of the way with cable ties. > Caliper bracket bolts ??? (2) Probably don't need spares of these. They're pretty big & heavy-duty. I can't imagine losing or breaking one, but you never know (having said that, you know what will happen to me when I change my pads & rotors next time, right? :-)). > Rotor retaining screw ??? (4) I've got 4 as spares, just in case. Sounds like you're set, in terms of parts. Good luck & have fun! Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:43:07 -0500 From: "Crawford, Scott (Cahners)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] need front spoiler/air dam Hi all, I'm the guy who posted last week talking about how much fun it is to slide around in the snow, ending the post with, "Here's hoping it snows again." Well, it snowed again, but I'm feeling pretty sheepish this time. Somewhere out there is the front spoiler/air dam off my car. Oops. Goofing off a little too much. Anyway. The car is an '89 325is (E30), white. The fasteners appear OK, but if you have those too, I'll gladly take them off your hands, just in case. Coulda been worse:) Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:34:41 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Richard?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 Please explain how on a dry flat surface a car which locks its wheels (non ABS) will not stop as quick as a car with wheels still turning (ABS)when braking hard from speed. Richard M '89 535i Sport > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:49:04 -0500 > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: ABS > > On most surfaces, a high performance ABS will stop > shorter than non-ABS. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:04:26 -0500 From: Filippo Morelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW prices bloating? Audi stealing lunch? At 03:23 PM 1/25/00 -0500, John F Stoj wrote: [...snip...] >When I hear people speaking about the possible rice of the new M3 in the >fifties, I start thinking, "heck, I may as well just buy a 911 and be done >with it." [...snip...] 911? Price a Boxster? You can option the Porsche Boxster out in to the $80k's ... twice the base price. And that's for a car that two friends of mine in the Porsche service world summarize as, "garbage". Go look at the Audi cars ... they are causing lots of market share trouble in Europe and starting to make a dent in the US as well. Let's see ... Audi S4 ... 280hp stock, and with a chip make gobs more power, AWD, nicely finished with great standard features and whistles -- people are walking out of the showrooms for $41k. Brakes are huge. $41k doesn't get you a loaded 328i, much less an E46 M3. One diehard BMW friend bought his S4 a couple weeks back. He's doing nothing but raving about the car -- and he currently owns more than a half dozen BMWs. Ever follow A4.org (now AudiWorld.com)? There have always been Audi enthusiasts, but it is rising at a phenomenal rate. The aftermarket for the A4 is huge. Hopefully BMW is paying attention. Mid-fifties for an E46 M3? We'll see what happens. Maybe it is that much better an automobile. Regardless, it pays to be humbled. Cheers, Filippo Morelli ///M ///M ///M ///M ///M ///M ///M www.bimmers.com = = ( ) ( ) = = "Supporting enthusiasts on the Internet!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:19:06 -0500 From: "Peter Sterne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 Rubber burning off the non-rotating tire creates a lubricant effect (small pieces of rubber acting like ball-bearings) between the tire and the road ... increases stopping distance dramatically. I had an interesting demonstration of this at Skip Barber last summer. We were doing a threshold braking exercise in Neons with the ABS fuse removed. For my last run, the instructor said, "Let's put the fuse back in so you can experience ABS, this time don't try to threshold brake, just mash the pedal down and hold it there". As luck would have it, the ABS didn't work even though the fuse was back in ... it took _MUCH_ longer to stop than it had during threshold braking. Regards, Peter Sterne '93 325is '91 Miata SE Richard wrote: > Please explain how on a dry flat surface a car which > locks its wheels (non ABS) will not stop as quick as a > car with wheels still turning (ABS)when braking hard > from speed. > > Richard M > '89 535i Sport > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:49:04 -0500 > > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: ABS > > > > On most surfaces, a high performance ABS will stop > > shorter than non-ABS. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:28:09 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: E36 M3 Check Engine Light Aren't O2 sensors covered under the extremely long emissions equipment warranty? Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hopefully it's not the oxygen sensor but if it's still under warrenty, bring > it to the dealer. There can be other cases like a low fuel EVAP leak, > injector problems, incorrect voltage signals etc. > > Have them print out a diagnostic sheet so you can see what code(s) come up. > There's a Service Bulletin (12 10 97) on this matter. > Good Luck! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:34:45 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Making a newer BMW handle/feel like a 'classic' BMW [EMAIL PROTECTED] sez: > > Alex F. wrote > >Miss the good old body roll? Downgrade your shocks/springs. Install > >a wimpy roll bars. 14" wheels with wimpy tires are a must (good > >tires are not available in that size). Bust the engine/transmission > >mounts/guibo => plenty of vibrations to "enhance" your driving > >experience. > >Not enough? Put another 100K miles on the car. Now everything that > >was made of rubber is starting to fall apart. Everything made of > >metal is beginning to fatigue/wear out. > >Now you will have as much fan as we, E30 owners, do chasing E36/46 > >cars ;-) > > Good one Alex, except you forgot my favorite, remove the wheel > weights on the front wheels to get the ole shimmy back! Shimmy? Wwwwwhatttt shimmmyy? alex f P.S.: Shimmy is not as much of a problem on E30's as it is on E28's. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:40:26 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 > Please explain how on a dry flat surface a car which > locks its wheels (non ABS) will not stop as quick as a > car with wheels still turning (ABS)when braking hard > from speed. > > Richard M > '89 535i Sport You are effectively stopping your car on melting rubber which is not as effective. The other obvious main benefit from ABS is that you can still control the vehicle during an abrupt stop. With the tires skidding.....good luck. Alex Cagann 88///M5 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:40:03 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW prices bloating? Audi stealing lunch? Audi aftermarket huge? Hmmm... UUC Motorwerks, home of the Ultimate Short Shifter for the A4/S4/A6tt. Yep, the world's first. Honestly I think Audi is finally re-emerging from the mid-'80s unintended acceleration fiasco. They're back where they were with cool and innovative products that attract the value-conscious "discerner." The early '90s were a bad time for Audi - no market share, boring cars, little support from VW. Now that they're making good stuff, it can do nothing but help force BMW to take notice and bring us an E46 "iX" and more power for the M3. Regards, - - Rob Levinson UUC Motorwerks * www.uucmotorwerks.com * 732-398-0001 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Filippo Morelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW prices bloating? Audi stealing lunch? > Go look at the Audi cars ... they are causing lots of market share trouble > in Europe and starting to make a dent in the US as well. Let's see ... Audi > S4 ... 280hp stock, and with a chip make gobs more power, AWD, nicely > finished with great standard features and whistles -- people are walking > out of the showrooms for $41k. Brakes are huge. $41k doesn't get you a > loaded 328i, much less an E46 M3. > One diehard BMW friend bought his S4 a couple weeks back. He's doing > nothing but raving about the car -- and he currently owns more than a half > dozen BMWs. > Ever follow A4.org (now AudiWorld.com)? There have always been Audi > enthusiasts, but it is rising at a phenomenal rate. The aftermarket for the > A4 is huge. > Hopefully BMW is paying attention. Mid-fifties for an E46 M3? We'll see > what happens. Maybe it is that much better an automobile. Regardless, it > pays to be humbled. > Cheers, > Filippo Morelli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:25:34 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #111 Tire to road friction is higher when there is only a small amount of slippage, something like 10%. When the wheels are locked, the tires slip 100% and the traction drops. When the tire is locked, the rubber overheats and loses traction. If you lock up a tire all the way to a stop, even from moderate speeds, you will put a noticeable flat spot on it. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Please explain how on a dry flat surface a car which > locks its wheels (non ABS) will not stop as quick as a > car with wheels still turning (ABS)when braking hard > from speed. > > Richard M > '89 535i Sport > > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:49:04 -0500 > > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: ABS > > > > On most surfaces, a high performance ABS will stop > > shorter than non-ABS. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:42:02 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: ABS Switch "rd444" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez: > > It is possible to wire up a switch to turn the ABS off and > on. I know a number of drivers in NCC who have done it. > Those with E30 2doors punch out the area of the console that > is not needed for the 4door window switches and use that area > to mount the switch. Wiring the switch is easy. Most > drivers who have done it will not share the wiring diagrams > because of liability concerns. They don't want to be sued by > your estate when you do something stupid. Tell me it ain't so, Dave. As recently as 2 years ago NCC folks were a lot more open and eager to help each other. Helping each other to swap suspension, rewire head lights, etc. Folks on this digest still are to this date. Granted, it should not be terribly difficult to cut 12V to the ABS computer, but if you have a neat diagram with the wire locations/colors, why not share it with the rest of us? Well, unless you are lawyer or play one on TV. alex f > Dave Apker > NCC ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #114 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
