[uucdigest] Friday, February 4 2000 Volume 03 : Number 190 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] riceboy question Re: [uuc] Big Honking Wabbit Re: [uuc] <E46> M3 Buying Info. Comments? [uuc] RE: <E36> ! Ticking lifter ! Re: [uuc] Big Honking Wabbit [uuc] Re: BMW Car Rental Re: [uuc] Big Honking Wabbit Re: [uuc] Last checkup before warranty expires [uuc] customer service - wob [uuc] Maybe something to do with the riceboy question [uuc] Re: E30 Front Air Dams ('86es vs. later) [uuc] <E46> M3 Buying Info. Comments? [uuc] RE: riceboy question [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #188 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:10:34 -0500 From: "Holmes, Michael A (Michael)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] riceboy question But Ren why the name "RICE" then ? Asian Why not burger boys- American pizza boys - Italian Or my favorite fish & chip boys - English I think riceboy is an Asian reference because, there are a large number of Asian decent (mostly males) who modify their cars in a way which appears strange to current western fashions. Thus it is racial, weather intended as a slur or not. Mike 8) > -----Original Message----- > From: Renny Lutz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:03 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] riceboy question > > Riceboy in my personal opinion is not a derogatory remark and in no way > eludes to somebody's race or national origin it is a term with many > different definitions based on peoples perceptions. Just because you > perceive "Riceboy" to be a slang racist term referring to persons of Asian > descent does not mean it was used in that manner or was meant to be used > in > that manner by the writer. > My personal opinion (<----- key word there) is that a riceboy is any > person regardless of Race, Religion, Gender, or National Origin that does > things to their automobile that make it seem or appear to be faster but > actually have no real performance value or a negligible performance value. > > Ren > Going through 3 weeks of Equal Opportunity and Consideration of Others > training as we speak. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 6:25 AM > Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] riceboy question > > > > it offends me when people refer to Asian descended people or owners of > > Japanese autos as "riceboy". several of my friends are Asian and they > are > > "top notch". i think we could all be mature enough not to stoop to name > > calling or using generalities that sort people by where they (or their > > families) were born. i do think some of the things done on some cars > (from > > every type of people) are very silly/loud/obnoxious, etc. looking, but > that > > is not a reason to use a slang word that is offensive to a race of > people. > > put yourselves in their place and imagine how it feels. there are plenty > of > > other adjectives that could be used without implying that people from > aisa > > are "tacky" or have less taste than __________(insert your heritage > here). > > ok,, enough on my soapbox.,,, but since someone asked, i felt the > need > to > > share. > > tommy- the drag racing crusader for Christ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:13:16 -0600 From: Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Big Honking Wabbit I wouldn't mind hitting that rabbit, ifyouknowwhati'msayin' :) Michael ben keyes wrote: > > I believe it was the future Mr. Ashley Judd (Dario Franchitti - sp?). > > saw it in some tabloid the other day while waiting in line. (the Ashley Judd > part obviously). > > Ben > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:19:23 -0800 From: Tom Tcimpidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E46> M3 Buying Info. Comments? As a side note, California law does not allow non-refundable deposits on cars, regardless of what a dealer might have you sign... Most people do not know this and amny dealers depend on that fact. Bill Matthews wrote: > > My own experience with my M5. I put down $1K on 12/4/98 with a guarantee > of a final price of MSRP on delivery and a stipulation of another $4k > down when the car was scheduled for production. My contract did not > specify that the deposit is either refundable or nonrefundable but a > separate section in the contract that outlines specific $ damage amount > if the buyer backs out was left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:19:45 -0500 From: "Lin, Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: <E36> ! Ticking lifter ! Marc, I'd have it checked pronto. There should be no 'grinding' on a ticking lifter. NCC'er John Woodcock's white '97 makes a lot of ticking, faster as rpm increases, but no grinding. Gary Lin National Capital Ch. '88 325is street '85 325eis track > Last night, as I was coming home from work, the noise level changed, and > when I checked under the hood at home, I heard what I'm pretty sure is a > "ticking lifter," a rapping noise under the spark plug cover that turns to > a grinding kind of noise when I blip the throttle. The car also seems to > have developed a bit of an appetite for Oil (a quart in the last 1k when > it really didn't use any til then). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Big Honking Wabbit What? That you're an animal hater? PETA people will be calling on you and dropping rabbit pellets on your car. <BFG> You'd have to push my butt into the seat for me to drive a car like that - OK, it'd take at least 2 people to get my fat ass thru the rollcage... - --- Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn't mind hitting that rabbit, ifyouknowwhati'msayin' ===== Matthew Yip [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ '87 GTi 16v - x2 '88 M5 '99 F350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:38:16 -0500 From: "Mark Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: BMW Car Rental I don't know where you can get a BMW to rent in Orlando, but I did stop in a place in Miami last week that was renting Boxsters and Corvettes for $275 a day and a red F355 for $1100 a day! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:45:54 -0600 From: Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Big Honking Wabbit Well, I wasn't talking about driving the car. But I wouldn't mind that either. :) Matthew Yip wrote: > > What? That you're an animal hater? PETA people will be calling on > you and dropping rabbit pellets on your car. <BFG> You'd have to > push my butt into the seat for me to drive a car like that - OK, it'd > take at least 2 people to get my fat ass thru the rollcage... > > --- Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't mind hitting that rabbit, ifyouknowwhati'msayin' > > ===== > Matthew Yip > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ > > '87 GTi 16v - x2 > '88 M5 > '99 F350 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:48:30 -0800 From: Eric Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Last checkup before warranty expires Popping out of gear isn't good. I'd be more worried about the trans. The only time I've ever heard of a tranny popping out of gear was just before that gear failed. Am I right? Happened to me on a 911SC in 1st. Starting popping out once in a great while, then more and more often. Finally failing completely on the way to the shop. If you have the tranny fluid changed, you can see what comes out. (metal bits, etc) Eric GGC 87 E30 M3 Steven Schlossman wrote: > > I'll be bring my 1998 318ti in for it's last BMW warranty service next week. > I'm at almost 48500 miles. > > Since I'm popping out of gear I am requesting a new clutch slave unit. > In replacing a clutch slave, should I expect to bring my own ATE brake fluid? > > Other items I would like them to look closely at are > o water pump > o ball joints > o lower lip (already had one replaced for pealing) > o rear hatch struts (ti has a hatch) > o seat sometimes seems loose > o motor mounts > > Is there anything else that I should have them look closely at? > > The service advisor has asked me to bring in whatever I have read that > seems to be problems with this model. Don't THEY know what often goes > wrong? Sometimes I wonder if I know more about the car then they do. And > that is SCARY! > > ...steven ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:55:45 -0500 From: "Beaudette, Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] customer service - wob I hope I'm not mistaken, but I thought all of you might appreciate this even if it concerns another fine marque. My wife was working out the payment on our MBZ's lease with customer service. Unfortunately this took place in our son's hospital room while he was screaming, a nurse was asking for info, the IV's alarm was sounding...you get the picture. Based on the sound of chaos in the room, MBZ's customer rep gave us a free pass on this month's payment (that's right a free month!). Seems the reps have discretionary dollars for situations like this. Actions like certainly generate good will (at least for us). BTW, our engine and brake booster blew up in the first three months of ownership of the C230 Kompressor. MBZ and our dealership worked to get us upgraded to a C280 by basing the lease on dealer cost (its hard to get more than dealer holdback when you negotiate on your own). It seems that most of the digest is relatively unimpressed with their dealer (stealer) and BMW NA (I remember all the bad press years ago with 318 head gaskets and missed shifts). I'm very impressed with MBZ in my first year of ownership, but I still want a drivers car so I lust for BMW's. Sorry for the wob. Roland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:03:38 -0600 From: "John F Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Maybe something to do with the riceboy question At least this little discussion - and I hope it stays little - about rice vs racist vs opinions vs feelings made me think of this. I think it was the reply about putting all sorts of stickers and emblems on the cars that don't belong there. Anyway, here's the story: Last year one of my friends was considering buying either a Mustang Cobra or putting his name down on the waiting list for a Honda S2k. Although the cars are very different animals, he was having a hard time deciding - we were/are muscle car fans, but our tastes have grown to appreciate more "subtle" cars. One of the things holding him back from the Cobra was the Mustang driver's stigma. While vacillating between the two, he asked his younger sister what she thought. Her response - deadpan - when he asked whether she thought he should get the Mustang was, "Joe, it has a horse AND a snake on it." The S2000 was delivered about 3 months ago. - - John Don't worry, I tried to get him to get an M3. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:59:14 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: E30 Front Air Dams ('86es vs. later) After Michael explained this... >Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:37:02 -0600 >From: "West, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Re: E30 Front Air Dams ('86es vs. later) > >Someone (Ken?) asked about e30 '87 to '88+ front air >dam/spoiler/apron/valance/whatever conversion-ability. It is possible. I >converted an '87 (2/'87 325i) to one from an '89 (or '90?) several years >ago. The most difficult thing was removing the tow hook (I remember sawing >it off, so it must not have been bolted on.) As I recall, you will need the >front panel sheet metal, the lower spoiler "lip" (the painted, notched one >looks better, IMHO), a plastic filler insert for one of the vents in the >sheet metal panel, brake duct "funnels" and tubes, replacement inner fender >liner pieces (for the brake ducts), either foglamps or the paintable plastic >filler inserts that the 318's w/o the optional foglights came with and lots >of various clips, screws, etc... You might make note that it appears there >were sheet metal changes in 9/87 and 9/88. I sold the car a while back, but >if you are serious about it, e-mail me and I will see if I can find the >receipts/part numbers (since I never seem to clean out my files.) >- -mw ... maybe Ken would be better off just buying an aftermarket air dam that is designed for his year car. Finding all those parts used in good condition is not going to be easy, and the new parts are expensive. Just more of my .02 cents worth. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:06:50 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E46> M3 Buying Info. Comments? A friend of mine leased a 2000 E39 540i 6-sp. It's a great car, driving it belies it's size. For tossability, I think the M3 is a better car. If you're friend has a family I'd say the E39 is a better sized. Somehow I think one can have more fun in the smaller car. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:26:36 -0500 > From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] <E46> M3 Buying Info. Comments? > <snip> < snip > > I should point out that the aim of this reservation is not to > make a profit like some new E39 M5 owners. This person has > been agonizing over this decision - E46 M3, E39 540i 6-sp, > etc. - for months. > > Thanks. > > Neil Deshpande > 1988 325 iS > 1989 325 iC > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:11:29 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: riceboy question I was going to stay out of this, as this has been beaten to death already, but I can't help but agree with Matt's point. I KNOW it's not me... Zach '94 325i w/sports pkg. Totally stock "The innocent have nothing to fear" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 05:38:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] riceboy question > > Some of us Asians don't have such thin skins as to think that the > term applies to us. We KNOW we're not into the big exhaust tips, 19" > chromed wheels, or silly stickers that merely draw attention to our > lack of class. > > - --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > it offends me when people refer to Asian descended people or > > owners of > > Japanese autos as "riceboy". several of my friends are Asian and > > they are > > "top notch". > > ===== > Matthew Yip > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:04:32 -0500 From: "Luis H Rueda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #188 Sorry but I had to chime in on this one. Tommy, this has been discussed an all the different BMW boards several times before. The term "riceboy" is often referred to a person of any nationality or ethnic background that drives a japanese car (which has progressed to also include Neons, Escorts, etc, which should have been called "hot dog" or "apple pie" boys?) that has been questionably modified its car to somewhat resemble a GT race car (lowered, coffe can exhaust, stickers everywhere, hughe wing, etc. You get the idea). I also ride japanese sportbikes I I often get the comment that I ride a "rice rocket". This wan't meant in a derogatory way, it just simply means that I ride a bike that was made in Japan, the same way the term "riceboy" is used to someone who drives a japanese car modified as I mentioned before. Now, I would love to own a Ducati 996, which would make me a "pasta boy" I guess but unfortunately, I can't afford it at the moment. Sorry for the WOB & enjoy your Bimmers & your Beemers. Luis CCA member '95 M3 "kielbasa rocket" '90 Kawasaki ZX-10 "street fighter rice rocket" '95 Suzuki GSXR-750 "scalpel rice rocket" '93 Honda XR-600RR "dirt rice rocket" & a host of other Kielbasa & rice rockets in the past. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:25:28 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] riceboy question it offends me when people refer to Asian descended people or owners of Japanese autos as "riceboy". several of my friends are Asian and they are "top notch". i think we could all be mature enough not to stoop to name calling or using generalities that sort people by where they (or their families) were born. i do think some of the things done on some cars (from every type of people) are very silly/loud/obnoxious, etc. looking, but that is not a reason to use a slang word that is offensive to a race of people. put yourselves in their place and imagine how it feels. there are plenty of other adjectives that could be used without implying that people from aisa are "tacky" or have less taste than __________(insert your heritage here). ok,, enough on my soapbox.,,, but since someone asked, i felt the need to share. tommy- the drag racing crusader for Christ ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #190 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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