[uucdigest] Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 224 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] New Car For Me Re: [uuc] New Car For Me Re: [uuc] M5 vs. Dodge Viper and American Cars Re: [uuc] re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror Re: : [uuc] M5 vs. Dodge Viper and American Cars [uuc] RE: where is JimC [uuc] Re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror [uuc] Used Parts Re: [uuc] Basic physics question Re: [uuc] FS: Price Reduced - E32 MSW Alloys + Dunlop Snow Tires Re: [uuc] Snap-on CT-350 12V electric 3/4" driver Re: [uuc] re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror Re: [uuc] New Car For Me [uuc] M5 vs snakes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:51:14 -0600 From: "Celisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Car For Me Ray, Im just too excited. they told me, that the digital motor to my 318i was damaged. Imagine that, I really feel someone is liable, but I need transportation, and won't continue to drive a damaged car even after fixed. I think a newer model would go well. I was offered 6,000 for mine, but I won't be buying a car from the people I took mine to, because I got a much better deal elsewhere, one I can't refuse:) Also, they said that my water pump was leaking, and I needed drive belts to another extra $340, and the digital motor 1,400. I think I now need to get into something with warranty. Celisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:52:56 -0600 From: "Celisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Car For Me Thanks so much Rob, and I do so agree with you, I think BMW's are sexy as hell. I hate to say, and I'm just kidding of course, but I consider them better than any man I've ever dated lol..and really just kidding:) Celisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] M5 vs. Dodge Viper and American Cars Don't write-off those crude American cars altogether - look at the cars that placed 1,2,3 at the 24 hours of Daytona. Namely Viper, Corvette, Viper if I recall properly. I didn't watch much of the race (forgot) - where any BMWs entered and if so, how did they finish? Engineering to perfection has its drawbacks as well. As a 2002 owner and they'll most likely lament the fact that they can't fix a new car on the side of the road. Gone are the days of simple DIY tune-ups, etc. While most of the basics can still be performed with a few wrenches and screwdrivers, the many repairs today require either a $100K computer for diagnosis OR a component replacement which may or may not have positive results. - --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > PS- It just bothers me how some people can be so infactuated with > these > crude American cars that are just compiled together instead of > designed and engineered to eprfection! > ===== Matthew Yip [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ '87 GTi 16v - x2 '88 M5 '99 F350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror Who wastes time with a rearview mirror? Even those Stupid Useless Vehicles disappear behind my tailgate at red lights. - --- Rich Beebe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pat Donahue wrote: > > > Geeeze > > '99 F250PSDSDSCLB4x4OR <-- decipher that! > > 99 - 1999 > f250 - 3/4 ton > psd - powerstroke diesel > sd - super duty > sc - super cab > lb - long bed > 4x4 - 4x4 > or - off-road > > btw, pat, my truck came with the dimming mirror and an overhead > readout as factory equip. <g> > > beebs > 99 R3500SCTDQCLB4x4D > ===== Matthew Yip [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ '87 GTi 16v - x2 '88 M5 '99 F350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:16:09 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: : [uuc] M5 vs. Dodge Viper and American Cars for the opinion of someone who should really know what these cars are like in comparison, surf over to the message board at the unofficial M5 home page. MB at : http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb165896 page at : http://www.bmwm5.com/ John Hennessey of Viper tuning fame has an E39 M5 and posted that once in gear (can't recall exact speeds) there was very little difference between the M5 & the Viper. search the archives within the last month or so. He is working on a new exhaust for the M5 & maybe some other tuning items. He seems very down to earth about things & loves the M5. IMHO the Viper is indeed an impressive piece of work, but is too big & heavy to be useable for regular day-to-day use & has a image that I'm not particularily fond of. I imagine that as an out of the box track toy it's pretty damn fun, bad brakes excepted. Ben Keyes '99 M coupe '88 M5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:24:44 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: where is JimC They say that about newly-weds, the guys atleast: Suddenly they forget all their buddys for the first two years, ...and then they come back. I vowed it would never happen to me. I underestimated the female species. ;) She who MUST be obeyed. Well,I'm happy for Jim. Congratulations! Zach '94 325i 5-spd. Sharked. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:17:54 -0500 > From: "Duane Collie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Where's jim? > > > Awwww geeeeezz guys, give pal Jim a bit o'slack here. He has > another life! > He's just moved into a new house and has a new bride, etc., > so mebbee he > can't live - breathe - eat BMW's all the time..... > > If ya'll get real impatient and make a bolt for AutoThority, > well.....you > get what you deserve <g> > > - - Duane Collie > The Seven Sled > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:33:18 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror I didn't get to choose all the features on my truck; bought it off the lot. Your 1999 Dodge Ram 3500 Sport Cummins Turbo Diesel Quad Cab Long Bed 4x4 Dually came with too many back tires and not enough cylinders for me though. OBMWC - we both use these trucks to tow our 325is ITS racers to the track (his is just an '87, mine's an '88!) Geeeze '91 Honda Gold Wing (yes, Rich regularly kicks my ass on the track) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Beebe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Pat Donahue wrote: > > > Geeeze > > '99 F250PSDSDSCLB4x4OR <-- decipher that! > > 99 - 1999 > f250 - 3/4 ton > psd - powerstroke diesel > sd - super duty > sc - super cab > lb - long bed > 4x4 - 4x4 > or - off-road > > btw, pat, my truck came with the dimming mirror and an overhead > readout as factory equip. <g> > > beebs > 99 R3500SCTDQCLB4x4D > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:42:46 -0400 From: "M. CERDA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Used Parts Hi there I am looking for some E-36/M3 parts that I'm sure some of you will have taking up space in your garage: A set of camshafts and a set of rear brake calipers I also need a set of front brake calipers for the 325. Please e-mail to work out the details Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 08:58:09 -0500 From: Chip Baines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Basic physics question I'm not an expert in vehicle dynamics, but I'll take a shot at it. The suspension system of a car includes the springs, shocks, wheels, and tires, which all have to work in unison to optimize the ride. What you've done is change one element in the suspension system without considering the others. Hence the rougher ride. In your case I bet the reason the ride feels harsher with the new allow wheels is that more force is tranmitted to the car's frame through the shock absorbers than before. Here's my guess as to why. The less massive wheels provide less inertia to oppose forces from bumps, potholes etc. These bumps can be modeled as imparting very brief jolts to the wheel, as trasmitted to the wheel through the side wall of the tire. Remember the formula f delta t = m delta v from physics? Here f is the force imparted on the wheel for a time delta t, m is the mass of the wheel, and delta v is the resulting initial upward velocity of the wheel as it moves over the bump in the road. For a given bump the f delta t is the same for both the light wheel and heavy wheel, but the resulting delta v for the lighter wheel is greater than for the heavy wheel. Hence there's a greater inituial upward velocity, and the shock absorber transmits a larger force to the frame of the car - since this force is proportional to v - and you experience a rougher ride. Another way to look at this is to consider the energy that gets stored in the spring when it's compressed. The value of this potential ebnergy is equal to 1/2*k*x^2, where k is the spring constant and x is the amount of deflection of the spring. This potential energy is converted to kinetic energy in the form of the up-and-down movement of the wheel as it bounces at the end of the spring. This kinetic energy reaches a maximum of 1/2*m*v^2 at the point where x = 0 (i.e., where the spring is neither extended nor compressed). The lighter the wheel, the greater the value of v, and the more force that again is tranmitted to the car through the shock absorber. Bottom line - if the springs and shocks were better matched to the lighter alloy wheels, I bet the ride would be smoother. - -Chip Baines BMW CCA '86 528e '97 328iC > I'm driving a '76 2002. Stock shocks, springs, etc., in good condition. > > I just went from the stock 13"x5" steel wheels to wider, but much lighter > 13"x5.5" Cosmic aluminum alloys. The same 185/70 13 tires were moved from > the steelies to the alloys. > > My question: The steering has improved noticeably, but the ride is also > much rougher. Do lighter wheels always translate to a rougher/noisier > ride, and why? > - -Aaron > '76 '02--skinny tires all around. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:40:37 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] FS: Price Reduced - E32 MSW Alloys + Dunlop Snow Tires Don't these also fit an E34? Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > STILL AVAILABLE/PRICE REDUCED: > > FS: For E32 7-Series - Set of 4 - MSW 15x7" basket-style alloy wheels w/locking > center caps and lug bolts, and a set of 4 - mounted Dunlop 225/60-15 Qualifier snow > tires -70% tread. $450 + shipping from N.E. Ohio. Wheels will also fit E23, E24 > and E28 cars (21mm offset). > > More details & photos at: http://www.go-preciousmetals.com/msw/index.htm > > Mark Borchik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:25:10 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Snap-on CT-350 12V electric 3/4" driver > From: Jerry Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I can see you never owned a Chrysler product. Oops - showin' my age on > this one. :^) > > -jerry I know exactly what you mean. When I was a young pup, I worked at gas station bringing in a wopping $2/hr. Anyways, the owner (note gas station, not service station) was attempting to change the tires on an old Dart, I believe. Well, since he wasn't a mechanical wizard and I was too young to know better...you guessed it, he busted two studs off before he finally realized they where left handed threads. Next time I knew better, I don't think he ever learned. Joe ======================================================================= | Joe (life's been good to me) Walsh - Lead Systems Programmer | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | SMS(Systems Management Specialists)| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Westinghouse Energy Center | Voice: 412-374-4563 | | P.O.Box 355 | Fax: 412-374-3709 | | Bay W-244A | | | Monroeville, PA 15230 | WIN: 284-4563 | ======================================================================= NT makes the easy stuff easy, and the rest impossible. Unix makes everything possible, but nothing too easy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:35:00 -0800 From: Donna Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror The only scene I remember from "Cannonball Run" is when the Ferrari driver snaps off the rearview mirror, tosses it over his shoulder, and says, "What is behind me, she does not matter!" Donna 0=00=0 > From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] re: Added a self dimming rear view mirror > > Who wastes time with a rearview mirror? Even those Stupid Useless > Vehicles disappear behind my tailgate at red lights. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:33:53 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] New Car For Me Hmmm... better than any man... you could make a good argument for that: Benefits of a BMW over a man: 1) reliable every morning. 2) good trade-in value when you're done with it. 3) you're rarely embarassed to be seen with it. 4) doesn't mind if you like other BMWs also. 5) gaseous emissions always under strict control. 6) just because your friend drives it once doesn't mean you have to get rid of it. 7) you can lather it all up and wash it without it expecting "more". 8) parents will approve. 9) no such thing as a "receding paintline". 10) YOU choose the commitment - 3 years with an option to renew. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Celisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thanks so much Rob, and I do so agree with you, I think BMW's are sexy as > hell. I hate to say, and I'm just kidding of course, but I consider them > better than any man I've ever dated lol..and really just kidding:) > Celisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:33:44 -0600 From: "Jeff Krause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M5 vs snakes Here in Indiana the BMW Club puts on a Dodge Viper driver's school every year for the Midwest Viper Council, so as an instructor I have extensive seat time in them. (This event was coined 'Snakes in the Grass' due to the 40-50 spins a weekend that invariably occur. A BMW school normally has 4-5 spins.)I've owned almost a dozen M5s. Put any normal driver, including 99% of the people on this list in both cars, and the M5 will STOMP a Viper. On the track, on the street, in an autocross. Viper brakes ( and I use the term lightly) SUCK. They are hard to modulate, won't unlock unless you get WAY out of the pedal, and fade to oblivion in a hurry. 335 series tires stick really well WHEN ACTUALLY TOUCHING the pavement, but thats not all that often. Are they fun to drive? ARE YOU KIDDING?! They are an absolute, E-Ticket Grade A blast to drive. 500 ft lbs will change your attitude on life. But go to any driver's school with a Viper, even a GTS, in it and watch their lap times. A well driven E36 325 will run similar times. Vipers are great street cars for those who are, um, physically challenged and don't appreciate build quality. But for the money, they offer the best street performance bang for the buck on the market. Are they good track cars? At 70% they are fantastic fun. At 95% they are awful. How much time are you going to spend on the track? How much time will you spend on the street? It all depends on what you want the car to do. I have a family, business commitments, snow to deal with, and car-pool duty. I need a real car, not a toy. But if you have the money for a toy, they're an awfully good time. Take any stock Viper, and any M5, and see who runs more laps in a half-hour session. Then give the Viper guy the "Racing Excuses" T-Shirt available at Racer Wholesale... ;) Jeff Krause 317-535-0250 Whiteland IN The Driver's Edge http://driversedge.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #224 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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