[uucdigest] Thursday, February 10 2000 Volume 03 : Number 234 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re:Is the New M5 a Porker? Re: [uuc] Re: Let's Tow RE: [uuc] E36 Emission Failure RE: [uuc] 95 M3 O2 Sensor, Again. Re: [uuc] Piston Re: [uuc] Re:Is the New M5 a Porker? [uuc] RE:Where is JimC (adios , amigos - say it isn't so..) RE: [uuc] Piston [uuc] E30 fog light questions RE: [uuc] Piston [uuc] 2 red Z8's sited in LA area Re: [uuc] E36 Emission Failure Re: [uuc] E30 fog light questions [uuc] Seeking wisdom on a 7 series RE: [uuc] Piston ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:41:10 -0600 From: Robert Ledesma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:Is the New M5 a Porker? >The original E-28 M5 weighed about 3200# >The current M5 weighs about 4000# (2 tons!), albeit with much more >horsepower. >But, the Mercedes E55 weighs 3600#, with a slushbox and slightly bigger >engine. Hi all, I'm going through my trusty mags here (or maybe not so trusty) and I'm coming up with some different curb weights for these cars. We are talking US. models aren't we? First off, E28 M5: Automobile magazine, Aug.1987 "Curb weight 3420 lb" Car and Driver, Dec.1987 "Curb weight.............3504 lb" E34 M5: Motor Trend, May 1991 "Mfr's curb weight, lb 3804" Road & Track, Aug 1990 "Curb weight...............3950lb" E39 M5; MB E55 Motor Trend, Mar. 2000 "Base curb weight, lb.....(M5) 3792;.........(E55) 3680" Road & Track, Mar. 2000 "Curb weight................(M5) 4000 lb;......(E55) 3620 lb" Go figure? If you believe MT, the new M5 actually LOST weight! According to R&T, it only gained 50# over the previous model. Regardless, it's at LEAST 300-400 lbs heavier than an E28 M5, which itself is probably 200 lbs heavier than my E28 535is. Conclusion: TOO HEAVY. Robert Ledesma '88 535is '76 280Z PS. Let's see, 4000 lb divided by 400 hp ....................... I only need to squeeze about 130 more hp out of my "IS" to match the new M5's hp/weight ratio, hmmm........ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Let's Tow The only catch to the Grand Wagoneer is the factory rust - been there, rusted that. - --- Eric Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have had no problem at all towing anything with my 90 Grand wagoneer. ===== Matthew Yip [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ '87 GTi 16v - x2 '88 M5 '99 F350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:03:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 Emission Failure Greg said; "Yesterday I went to have my 1994 325is inspected. The car past all tests except the hydrocarbon emissions test. According to the test my car is emitting a higher amount of hydrocarbons than the state of Delaware would like. I did pass the Carbon Monoxide test. The car currently has a JC chip and a drop-in K&N air filter, could either of these be the culprit? Non branded gas (I do use 93 octane)? I was wondering if anyone had an idea on how to fix this problem so I can get my car to pass inspection?" Greg, another post said to warm or heat up your CATS to normal operating temperature. Another thing you should try is to change your engine oil a few days before the test. Hopefully you'll pass next time. Jonathan Caldito BMW STEP - Orlando ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:05:04 -0500 From: "Olsen, Mike (Morse TEC Ithaca)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] 95 M3 O2 Sensor, Again. Chris, You might be onto something with the short drive, although it seems really odd that it would come up after only 100 miles of driving. More than a few people in my office live less than a mile away and have had experiences with "check engine" lights coming on. I've heard that the short drive can be a problem and have recommended they go drive the car for a long warm-up on the highway. 9 times out of 10 this has cleared up their fault. This seems to be more of an issue for people who never drive anywhere outside of the half-mile to work and back. As long as on some regular basis - once a week? - - you go on an extended run I wouldn't think this should ever come up. Good luck, Mike Olsen '88 ///M3 '88 325iC "the "Check Engine" light just came on again...my house is only one mile from my office. Could the daily short trips be a factor, since the car doesn't really have a chance to warm up?" Cod Capt Chris Darling HQ AMC/CEOP DSN 576-5930, Comm (618)256-5930 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:41:30 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Piston Serious as a heart attack and certainly not normal. If your engine has had pistons melt down or get damaged somehow, you should be damn glad you're not paying for the repair! Ask your dealer for an explanation of what caused this damage. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Piston > About 2 weeks ago my "check engine" light came on... So I called the dealer & > they said not to worry about it & to bring it in today & they would check it > out.... Well the dealer just called to say that one/some of the pistons were > wrecked & that they were ordering replacements & my car should be ready in a few > days... > Q1. Is this normal? > Q.2. This sounds serious.. is it? > Q.3. Should I be on the lookout for any other related problems that may develop > out of warranty b/c of this? > TIA, Lee > 97 M3, 23K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:44:48 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:Is the New M5 a Porker? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Ledesma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Robert Ledesma > '88 535is > PS. Let's see, 4000 lb divided by 400 hp ....................... I only > need to squeeze about 130 more hp out of my "IS" to match the new M5's > hp/weight ratio, hmmm........ Easy, it's called a turbo. Wonderful spinning, whizzing device. Makes a cool sound. But then again, you could do that to the M5 (or at least an old one) also... - - Rob '88 M5 Turbo, 475hp ex-'85 535i, 300hp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, Feb 10 2000 15:13:31 GMT-0500 From: Ken W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE:Where is JimC (adios , amigos - say it isn't so..) "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At least James apologised, and did some damage-control. > > I think we can all thank Jerry Chyo, now. > > First it was Brett. Then Bubba Duane. > > Some people just don't get it. > > *sigh* On the contrary, Zach, some people DO get it. Please do not come down on Jerry. He did not state lies, so he had every right to say what he did. I am sure you will find, if the truth be told, that he is not nearly alone. I highly respect Jim for his engineering expertise and appreciate his contributions to the various lists, but obviously commitments and time management are not among his strong points. I see plenty of arguing and comments on people on the digest, and there is no reason why Jim should be immune to this. He is a brilliant engineer, but no god. I am sure (hope) he would agree. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:53:50 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Piston Lee ponders on: >About 2 weeks ago my "check engine" light came on... So I called the dealer & >they said not to worry about it & to bring it in today & they would check it >out.... Well the dealer just called to say that one/some of the pistons were >wrecked & that they were ordering replacements & my car should be ready in a few >days... > >Q1. Is this normal? Absolutely not. >Q.2. This sounds serious.. is it? Next to something like brain cancer - no, next to other things which could go bad with your car - yes. On a scale of 1-10 of things I wouldn't want to hear - this is a 9.9 >Q.3. Should I be on the lookout for any other related problems that may develop >out of warranty b/c of this? Probably. I'd want to know WHY it needs piston(s), and if there was any damage to the bore(s) Questions: 1. Are you the first owner? 2. Aftermarket chip? 3. Any possibility of the 5-2 shift over-rev happening? If 2 or 3 = true - you may find the warranty doesn't cover the repairs.. If 1 = not true - could be # 2 and #3 are true without you knowing it... >TIA, Lee > >97 M3, 23K I would be pretty unhappy about now.. Best, weeny-teeny-sig - dje'nj'99mcoupe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:33:11 -0600 From: "Alarcon, Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30 fog light questions I just noticed that one of my fog lights is out. I have a 1990 325is with the integrated fog lights and I'm wondering what I need to do to replace them. Do I need just a bulb or the whole enchilada ? Are there choices ? TIA for any help. Robb A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:36:59 -0500 From: "Lee Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Piston Thanks for making me feel worse... Questions: 1. Are you the first owner? - No, but I bought it w/ 15K from the original who was a sales rep a the dealership who just happened to be a 55 year old lady.. I am doubting it was reprogrammed & even if it was, wouldn't it have been erased when they did the upgrade due to the cold idle issue..? 2. Aftermarket chip? 3. Any possibility of the 5-2 shift over-rev happening? - No absolutely not... & I checked the diagnostics & it does not show an overrev... actually when the check engine light came on I was driving in a freaking funeral procession that just happened to be an hour drive from the services.. so it was VERY easy driving for the last several hours of running time prior to the light coming on... Also, the dealer is doing the work under warranty .. at least they told me they were ordering massive parts & did not ask for any approval.. the car still is under warranty for 1 1/2 years or 27K.. So far the dealer is being very vague.. they simply told me that they were ordering pistons & to keep the loaner... that they would be in touch tomorrow if it was ready.. Should I go down & try to get more information? TIA, Lee >About 2 weeks ago my "check engine" light came on... So I called the dealer & >they said not to worry about it & to bring it in today & they would check it >out.... Well the dealer just called to say that one/some of the pistons were >wrecked & that they were ordering replacements & my car should be ready in a few days... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:06:41 PST From: "Jan Redovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 2 red Z8's sited in LA area Hi, fellow enthusiasts, Today's morning (~11:30AM) commute to work this morning was brightened by the citing of 2 RED Z8's. They were on 101 going West (North) between Woodman Ave and Tampa Ave, for those who are familiar with the area. Or 101 and 405 intersection, for those who aren't. They were following each other rather closely for wet road conditions. I caught up with the following car long enough to show him my appreciation of the vehicle by raising a thumb up (the other hand on the wheel, where it belongs in rainy weather). He smiled back. Then I had to hastily get off the freeway, because I already missed my exit. The cars were not disguised in any way, they also had the following Munich licence plates: Leading car M:ZZ 8813 Following car M:ZZ 8831 I thought this might be interesting to those of you who keep an eye on "upcoming models". Happy Driving, Jan. US 85 535i "Franky" with euro ///M tech kit "Take a long way home" believer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:53:02 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 Emission Failure It would help if I knew the numbers. Idle, 2500 rpm or loaded on a dyno? High HC is due to misfire. Check the plugs and wires. Rich mixture would make high CO and HC. This could also be caused by a lean misfire. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Yesterday I went to have my 1994 325is inspected. The car past all > tests > > except the hydrocarbon emissions test. According to the test my car > is > > emitting a higher amount of hydrocarbons than the state of Delaware > would > > like. I did pass the Carbon Monoxide test. The car currently has a > JC chip > > and a drop-in K&N air filter, could either of these be the culprit? > Non > > branded gas (I do use 93 octane)? I was wondering if anyone had an > idea on > > how to fix this problem so I can get my car to pass inspection? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:52:15 -0500 From: "Tarun Kundhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E30 fog light questions On my 89, it was a bulb, yours should be the same. Tarun - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alarcon, Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW Digest (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: [uuc] E30 fog light questions > I just noticed that one of my fog lights is out. I have a 1990 325is > with the integrated fog lights and I'm wondering what I need to do to > replace them. Do I need just a bulb or the whole enchilada ? > Are there choices ? > > TIA for any help. > Robb A > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:10:59 -0500 From: Reid Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Seeking wisdom on a 7 series Folks, I am contemplating adding to the existing stable a used 740 or 750, probably of an early-to-mid 90's vintage. I vaguely remember seeing some cautionary messages in the B-C-G or uucdigest about years to avoid for these cars, so I am polling both groups for input. I think there was a problem with the early engines in some of the 740s and transmission problems with one or the other. Can anyone give me any real world experience with reliability and drivability issues with the early 90's 7s? What is the performance difference between the 740 and 750? Any editorial comments on either vehicle? Any input would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Reid Douglas '85 M635CSi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:02:52 -0500 From: "Holmes, Michael A (Michael)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Piston I may just be a total skeptic, but are you sure it was her car and not the dealer runabout / demonstrator that many potential buyers drove ? I would want to know exactly why they think it happened, and what the potential harm the rest of the engine may be, who knows what has gone through the oil system (hence the whole engine) if there was piston damage. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Leslie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:37 PM > To: Don Eilenberger > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Piston > > Thanks for making me feel worse... > > Questions: > > 1. Are you the first owner? - No, but I bought it w/ 15K from the original > who > was a sales rep a the dealership who just happened to be a 55 year old > lady.. I > am doubting it was reprogrammed & even if it was, wouldn't it have been > erased > when they did the upgrade due to the cold idle issue..? > > 2. Aftermarket chip? > 3. Any possibility of the 5-2 shift over-rev happening? - No absolutely > not... & > I checked the diagnostics & it does not show an overrev... actually when > the > check engine light came on I was driving in a freaking funeral procession > that > just happened to be an hour drive from the services.. so it was VERY easy > driving for the last several hours of running time prior to the light > coming > on... > > Also, the dealer is doing the work under warranty .. at least they told me > they > were ordering massive parts & did not ask for any approval.. the car still > is > under warranty for 1 1/2 years or 27K.. So far the dealer is being very > vague.. > they simply told me that they were ordering pistons & to keep the > loaner... that > they would be in touch tomorrow if it was ready.. > > Should I go down & try to get more information? > > TIA, Lee > > >About 2 weeks ago my "check engine" light came on... So I called the > dealer & > >they said not to worry about it & to bring it in today & they would check > it > >out.... Well the dealer just called to say that one/some of the pistons > were > >wrecked & that they were ordering replacements & my car should be ready > in > a few days... > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #234 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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