[uucdigest] Friday, February 25 2000 Volume 03 : Number 335 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] [E28]Help-Sticking F Bilstein Sport, need nut tool & D40M2's [uuc] E30 325 headers [uuc] <E28> brake lamp indicator problem [uuc] FS 1994 325i Re: [uuc] Purchasing European Parts [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Stories (Part 7) [uuc] Re: BMW touring Re: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Stories (Part 7) [uuc] Anti-Roll Bars and Metal Fatigue [uuc] For Sale!!! [uuc] [E36] stopped running, no switched ground to ECM relay Re: [uuc] A follow up message to Mr. Donn York ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: James Muskopf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [E28]Help-Sticking F Bilstein Sport, need nut tool & D40M2's Well, spring is on its way (72F in DC today!), and so comes the much-overdue fixes. In cold weather my front Bilsteins stick--as in they become solid rods, not sliding dampers. It's not so bad when warm. From what I understand, the sport has the damper section on top, so the bottom should just be a shaft, some bushings, maybe a bump-stop, etc. I noticed that there is a nut on the bottom of the yellow steel body. Can this safely be removed? Then I could feasibly lubricate the sticky shafts (eeewwwwwwww!) and compress them all the way a couple times. That would preclude the need to ship, rebuild, ship back, and spend money. I'm POOR! The reason they stick is because they're out of a junk car (great condition, NAILED from behind) and sat for a long time. ANYONE ever rebuilt them or know how? I also need the special nut tool that comes with each new pair of inserts. Anyone with a spare??? ************ On a side note, I had a set of used D40M2's with maybe 2k miles left. Perfect for drivers school. So at Roebling a couple years back, I was outrunning my instructor's little brother in his 944T, another 944T, a Ferrari (3??), hell, everyone. I'm allowed to gloat--I was in my 535i. But on Sunday, the kid in one 944 was all over my butt! I got back to the pits--BIG patches of rubber missing. Oh well. Tires are a lot sturdier than I thought! I still grin about that day! James Muskopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:15:50 -0500 From: "David McIntyre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30 325 headers Can anyone give me a source or two for headers for an '89 E30 325? Turner does not carry them. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:24:54 -0500 From: Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> brake lamp indicator problem So my '86 528e doesn't kill the check light when I step on the brake pedal after initially starting the car lately. Both taillight brake light bulbs are fine, as is the center high mount light. I've taken them out and cleaned the contacts, just to be sure everything was nicey nice. When I depress the brake pedal, all the brake lights come on just fine, but the check light won't go out. The cruise control shuts off when I hit the brake, so I know (think?) all the switches are working... is this just a case of some corroded contacts somewhere within the wiring harness increasing the resistance? Is resistance how the check system functions? Or am I overlooking some other function for this check light? It's the one in the upper left hand corner of the overhead console. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:51:37 -0500 From: Chris Whitney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] FS 1994 325i I'm posting this for a friend. I've ridden in the car and it's clean and runs great. He's selling because he bought a new 528i. Pls direct all inquiries to him - Tks! 1994 325i Calypsorot Metalic Sand interior 67,XXX miles 5 spd Heated seats 6 CD changer, OBC Sunroof New brakes, tires, exhaust Asking $15.5 Located Balto / Annapolis area. Contact Bob at 410-849-2687. Tks, Chris Whitney '88 535i ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:19:54 -0500 From: "Frank Massaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Purchasing European Parts Chris- Give Mitch Herman a try at http://www.motorsportimports.com Mitch is the E30 M3 Euro-goodies guru- his site lists the E36 section as 'under construction', but he's probably your best bet to find out what is/ what's to be available. Hope this helps- Frank Massaro Tarheel Chapter '92 325is Club Racer '88 M3 '83 533i >Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:24:19 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: PURCHASING EUROPEAN PARTS > >I'm wondering if someone had a contact for BMW parts (OEM and >aftermarket performance parts) in either the UK or Germany... > >Chris Marino >95 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Stories (Part 7) Thought I ran out of stories, eh? =) Space Camp - ---------- You're probably thinking, "Space camp? Who the h*ll goes to space camp?" Well, I wanted to go after watching the stupid movie on cable one fine day when I was 13 or so. My dentist's sons were probably watching the exact same movie 'cuz guess who I went with? =) Plans were made and we were to leave from Kennedy airport. On the way to the airport, as luck would have it, I realized I forgot the deoderant (being 13, I wasn't really used to that stuff). Man...did I regret that...I stunk for the remaining two weeks. So there we were, me and two complete strangers. The only recollection I had of my dentist's sons was when the older son walked into the patient room while I strapped into the chair for some filling work while his father had stepped out for a sec. He picked up the drill and proceeded to rev it fast and slow. Bzzzzz bzzzzz bzzzzz....I started to cry (I was about 6 years old at the time). So we get to the space center....total geek heaven...I was right at home ;) They had a mock space shuttle, an anti-gravity chair, a "frictionless" chair, and the cool gyroscope chair thing-a-ma-bob that throws you in all different directions. What more could you ask for? Our group was quite large consisting of about 15 kids. Now realize that I'm just joking, but all the geeky kids were from Texas, Alabama and the other southern states. The cool kids were the thugs from New York, Detroit, and Chicago. Us cool kids didn't really play with the dorks. Oh well. But there was this one very cute girl (I think her name was Jennifer). I was set.. =) There was also this one butch from Detroit. She was a little on the heavy side and made up for that by beating people up (back at home...no beatings were going on in Florida)--following guys that teased her into the boys bathroom and bashing their heads against the porcelain toilets and then flushing the bowl...blood everywhere. ...or so she said. At any rate, I wasn't going to get on her bad side! I'm gonna cut out all the geeky stuff and get straight to the good stuff. One of the "cool" things was putting on an actual space suit. Great...all sweaty and sh*t from all the other kids in the Florida summer heat...as if I didn't stink already. Remember Detroit girl? Well, it was her turn to put on the suit. I'm not sure if you're familiar with space suits, but there is this long zipper in the front that unzips to allow you to get your lower body into the legs. Well, Miss Detroit didn't get it past her hips...all of us almost burst out laughing, but one stern look from her sent us running away fearing for our lives. So it was my turn to put the suit on. YAY! Now every other idiot struggled to get his/her legs into the suit and then hoist the rest of the hulk over the shoulders to finally zip up the smelly suit. No...I was going to be smarter. I would sit my butt on the floor and butt-crawl into the suit. Smart idea, no? Well, I'm not sure if you're familiar with yet another design aspect of a space suit. It turns out that there are these huge 100% solid aluminum bulkheads where all the detachable items go. So there's one for the fishbowl helmut and one on each sleeve for the gloves. So I'm trying to impress Miss Jennifer and I make a purposeful plop of the suit onto the floor. This cool stud was getting in with style! While standing, I get both legs into the suit and then plop my arse right where I wanted to....over the sleeve bulkhead that folded back on itself when I plopped the the lower half onto the floor. My tender little toushie smacks the edge of the bulkhead and I feel this sharp pain rocket up my spine! I'm rolling on the floor...grimacing...grabbing my ass...rolling some more...everyone laughing...but me. Whoa shit did that hurt. I think I might have dented my ass....no, sorry...that's the natural crack. After a few minutes of rolling around, I finally got up and hoisted the suit over my shoulders....head hung low out of embarassment! DOH!!!!! Oh, did I mention that the space camp people recorded every single moment on tape so that they could gouge more money from the proud parent's pockets? Oh, did I also mention that my mom ordered said tape? Yes...that whole ordeal was caught on tape...and if Mr. Powell buys me those nice Porsche Big Brakes, I'll let everyone see it. Otherwise, I'm taking that tape with me to my grave! Have a good weekend, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:43:34 -0500 From: "Bryan Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: BMW touring Eric, I think you are mistaken as to the number of cylinders. BMW doesn't use a 2.0 liter 6 cylinder in their touring cars, they use a 4 banger. As far as I know, every manufacturer in Australian Touring Car uses a four cylinder save Volve, who uses a 5 cylinder (weird stuff) and Ford, who uses a 6 cylinder. However, with some of the British companies invovled in the Swedish and Brisitsh series, there may be more cars using 6 cylinders. The 8500 RPM max is also a rule in the Australian series. I could care less what's under the hood, fact is, those guys race for real! - -Bryan 95 M3 95 H-prep M3 CSL (wishing it were a touring car) > Eric wrote: > >By turning LOTS of rpm. Big cams, big throttle bodies, big valves, big > >compression ratios, big headers, etc. It all adds up to lots of high rpm hp. > >However, I don't think any of them make over 200 lb/ft of torque. > > The max RPM is limited, I think to 8500 in Sweden. > But they are using a two liter six, not four cylinder. > > /Eric > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:51:31 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOB> Stupid Chester Stories (Part 7) Oh God! Decisions, decisions. Reminds me I have to place an order as soon as the video guys leave my house. Not for you yet though Chester. But it could come to that.... Jim Chester Wong wrote: > ...and if Mr. Powell buys me those nice Porsche Big Brakes, I'll > let everyone see it. Otherwise, I'm taking that tape with me to my grave! > > Have a good weekend, > Chester ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:12:08 -0800 From: Gustave Stroes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Anti-Roll Bars and Metal Fatigue >The way I understand it there is no metal that does not fatigue at some level. >>There are some, like aluminum, that fatigue at all levels. Hence, the saying >that >Al does not have a real fatigue strength or whatever. So, no matter how >low the >loading Al will fail in fatigue eventually. >Neil Deshpande What you are referring to is called the "endurance limit". This is the level below which a metal part will show no fatigue. Aluminum has an endurance limit of zero. Thus if you cycle and aluminum part through even the smallest reversing stress, it will eventually fail due to fatigue (it may take 100 years, but theory says it will fail). This is what makes some people so nervous about airliners, which are built almost entirely out of aluminum. For a steel part, you can design it so that the operational stresses fall well below the endurance limit. This ensures that the part will never fail due to fatigue. I do not have any calculations to back me up but I suspect that springs and sway bars are loaded below their endurance limits in most normal applications. Thus fatigue should not be an issue for these parts. So what happens when springs sag over time? Isn't that caused by fatigue? No. This is caused by something called "creep". If you load a metal part with a constant force (i.e. the weight of a car acting on a spring day in day out), then the part will slowly rearrange itself to accommodate the force. Thus a spring can sag after years of holding up the weight of a car, but this does not alter it's spring rate. The spring rate of either a spring or an anti-roll bar is governed by the Young's Modulus of the material from which it is made. Young's modulus is sort of like a metal's spring rate. For two parts with the same shape subject to the same loads, the part with the lower Young's modulus will deflect more. The tricky part for many people to grasp is that all steels have roughly the same Young's modulus (give or take a few percent). Thus a mild steel sway bar and a 4130 sway bar (of the same configuration) will have the same stiffness. The advantage to chrome-moly (4130) over mild steel is that it has a higher "yield strength". If you load a metal part beyond its yield strength than the part will plastically deform. In other words, when you remove the load the part will not return back to it's original shape. It is permanently deformed. Since 4130 has a higher yield strength than mild steel, you can subject a 4130 part to higher loads before it plastically deforms. But as long as the applied force is below the yield strength of mild steel then both parts will behave pretty much the same (since they have the same Young's modulus). A great place to use chrome-moly (4130) is on a part where you desire a high "safety factor". If you design a part with a safety factor of 3 then this means you can apply three times the peak operational load before the part will yield (before it will permanently deform). Thus a roll bar or a control arm would be a great place to use chrome-moly because these are components where you want a high safety factor. That's about it as I know it. I learned this stuff 10-12 years ago so others may be able to correct me on some points. Gustave http://e30m3performance.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:18:17 PST From: "Manuel Paredes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] For Sale!!! I am posting this for a digest impared friend. I have seen this car and can tell you it is VERY clean. The car has Never been tracked and is still under warranty. He just bought a house and has an expidition so the M3 must go (idiot!). The car is located in Hollywood and has never even heard of snow. 1998 BMW M3 Sedan, 5 spd, Techno Violet, w/Mulberry leather, 20k miles, Harmon/Kardon sound sys., 6cd changer, heated front seats, on-board computer, fully loaded, snrf., wing, alarm, Lo-Jack, maintenance warr., very clean, $38,500.obo, As for Raul 818-512-8771 Manuel Paredes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:15:57 -0800 From: Richard Haus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] [E36] stopped running, no switched ground to ECM relay I'm hoping someone can shed some light on a problem I had today with my '94 325i. I had just left work today at lunchtime, when the engine stalled when idling at a stoplight. I re-started it, and drove another 2-3 blocks, when the tach needle dropped to zero and the engine died. I pulled over, tried again to re-start, and although the starter turned over, it wouldn't start. FUEL PUMP NOT RUNNING - FUSE OK The fuel pump was not running, verified by holding my hand over the pump while cranking (I removed the back seat cushion and fuel pump cover plate). I didn't have my Bentley manual with me, but I checked Fuse 18 (fuel pump), and it was good. I also switched around several pairs of like-colored relays - not knowing which one was the fuel pump relay. FUEL PUMP RELAY CHECKED - RELAY OK, NOT BEING ACTIVATED After towing the car home, I found in Bentley which relay was the fuel pump, and followed their check procedure. The fuel pump did't run unless I manually bypassed the relay. Then, the pump worked fine, but the car wouldn't start. There is no +power to the activation side of the fuel pump relay - this is the RED/WHITE wire - relay terminal 86. According to the schematic, this power comes from the ECM relay being turned on. ECM (Engine Control Module) RELAY CHECKED - RELAY OK, NOT BEING ACTIVATED Next, using the Bentley engine management schematic (p. ELE-76), I learned that the ECM relay was not being turned on (no click). I checked for +power and ground to the activation side of the ECM relay (pins 86/85). +Power was there (at both relay pins 30 and 86), but the activation ground was not (pin 85 - brown wire). If I bypass the relay the engine starts and runs fine. According to the schematic, pin85 goes directly from the ECM - to a terminal called "ECM RLY CTRL". So, here's my question: What generates the signal from the ECM RLY CTRL terminal on the ECM? I am confused by the schematic - it appears that the same RED/WHITE power that is missing from the ECM relay, is what connects to the "BATTERY" terminal on the ECM. This seems circular - like the ECM gets turned on when it sends a ground signal to the ECM relay. How can this be? I'm confused. Any ideas? Thanks very much for your thoughts. If you don't mind, could you e-mail a response as well, as I'm reading the digest version. - - Rich - ------------------------------------------------------- 800-747-0064, x1082 Voice Richard Haus 707-789-1082 Voice/Fax Manufacturing Engineer http://www.idcmotion.com Industrial Devices Co., LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:30:57 -0600 From: "Christopher J. Kolaitis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] A follow up message to Mr. Donn York Hi Donn, Thank you for taking the time to send me your thoughtful reply. I may very well be on edge and a little too sensitive lately, causing me to be too quick on the trigger. I was a bit saddened to hear of your extended unemployed situation. My heartfelt thoughts go out to you and your wife. I want to apologize to you and I can accept your apology and we can get this behind us. A recent message from Chip came across my screen, did you see it too? He has offered to buy us some beers, all u can gulp. What an offer I can't pass up. Are you up to hooking up with the Chip and his offer? I want to see his new M3 he just got. I would also like to meet you, so let's all get together. All we need is a date, time and place. I'm ready to drive. Are you listening, Chip? Best Regards, Chris Donn York wrote: > > Chris: > > I am sorry if I offended you by describing your ad, albeit without > naming names. I obviously mistook your situation, basing my email to > this list on your ad, rather than your true situation or inner > feelings. My post was meant to be humorous and harmless, and not to put > your unhappy situation in a public light. > > I must say that I don't quite understand your question about my > occupation, but you have equally misinterpreted my situation, as I have > yours. My company was taken over last year by a British firm and my job > as Treasurer was eliminated as we were folded into the acquiring > company's operations. I have been either unemployed or retired, > depending on how you look at it, for the last eleven months. My wife, > who left her Corporate America job voluntarily last May, and I have been > enjoying our sabbatical from the Real World immensely and may choose to > never return. > > <<I have received a significant amount of email traffic regarding my > response to Mr. Donn York's email. Reviewing and analyzing the > consensus, prompts me to request Mr. York to respond. > > Should there be a slim chance, that your job description at work, > requires you to perform with a high level of insight and accuracy? If it > > does, would you please respond and identify your company, it's products > and or services in the market place for us.>> > > Donn York > > PS - I don't think my former company's products would allow you to > better manage your life, unless you need storage rack, powdered metal, > or aerospace components. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #335 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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