[uucdigest] Wednesday, February 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 323 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? [uuc] Trailer hitch for '97-'99 540 6 speed [uuc] E34 Diff. fluid draining question.. [uuc] <Misc> Motorsports Support? [uuc] Re: <e30> Identifying a 325i -w- sport pkg Re: [uuc] <Misc> Motorsports Support? [uuc] Re: <e30> Identifying a (lagoon green) 325i -w- sport pkg [uuc] adding heaters to M3 seats [uuc] E36 M3 FS $13,750 Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? [uuc] Parts needed [uuc] In-car video moved to new site [uuc] Tech Question E30 Re: [uuc] Rear placement of engines [uuc] BMW parts is pretty cheap ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:25:55 -0500 From: "VincentMathew Malfa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point <<<I believe 5500rpm is VTEC's engagment point when it switches to the performance cam, at least this is true for the other performance VTEC models (Civic Si, Prelude SH, ITR, etc.). I can verify this with my Honda driving friends but I am almost positive of this.>>> Bear in mind that the S2000 uses 2 VTEC cam lobes, unlike its other VTEC brethren. In effect, if 5500 rpm is one of the crossover points, it's hindered by the lack of not just its high end cam profile, but also a more intermediate (likely torque oriented, though probably also related to fuel efficiency) timimg. OTOH, when people comment that the S2000 may mark the beginning of Honda's superiority over BMW as the world's foremost engine builder, I feel compelled to point out that even pre-VaNoS BMW engines, such as the S14, demonstrate a mastery and performance dominance that Honda has yet to achieve even with such techno-aids. Just my $.02 - -Matt M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:24:39 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? I think you guys got me pegged wrong. I'm not defending BMW's not offering an individual program, I'm telling you what they tell the dealer as to why certain things can't be done or must cost so damn much extra. This whole thread started with an NA employee saying the program exists. That's bunk. And as Jim Powell said, if there is a program, it should work. And, also that customers in this bracket should be able to get what they want. But that is not the case. With the Z8, BMW is touting that 6-10 days prior to DELIVERY, a customer can change the specs on his/her Z8 with his dealer, via the internet. Obviously, considering shipping, this ain't gonna happen in the US. But then this model priced at nearly $130,000 comes in only 6 colors with only 4 interior choices, so big damn deal. ben keyes wrote: >I'm not familiar with the way that BMW numbers parts & assemblies as >shipped to >thier plants, but Ford uses a "feature based" release system where the nearly >complete I/P is shipped into the plant in sequence. the I/P is a >collection of >parts that are selected based on the "feature" they represent. this >allows you >to mix & match pieces to make the paritcular I/P that you want, so long as >logical rules are followed. I would assume that BMW does something >similar, so >that as long as the particular pieces are available, then the rules have to be >amended to make the desired combination possible. witness the example of >headlight washers/aimers that JonM was told he could have on an M coupe. >assuming the bumpers are sequenced coming into the plant, the shipping >racks are >designed to accomodate the various types, the bumpers are all made by the same >supplier & are made out of the same materials, then making them in any color >that is normally available would not be an issue. But it is for BMW Manufacturing. US suppliers of bumpers for the Zs and Xs make them to BMW specs. Not for the car, but for the same color car. BMW has no part number for an MZ bumper in a 2.8 Z color. They say the inventory problems and costs of tracking one-off items make this the reason for not doing Individual orders. That is currently the reason why no Individual color orders are available for the X5, nor will they be for probably a year. The console pieces are different in the different models. That's BMW's excuse for why it takes 2 years to produce an airbag cut-off switch for an M roadster. The cars are different. Not my excuse for them, but theirs. I'm not saying they are correct or justified, just that that is what they are dealing with. Should they be more responsive in this market segment? Of course. Are they? No. >I know this all too well, having worked in an assembly plant (Louisville >Assembly - makes Explorer/Mountaineer) for 4� years. sometimes you just can't >do stuff because it's too much of a hassle. That really is the bottom line. And I know this from 20+ years dealing with customer orders at a BMW dealership. Your dealer may be a scum, but the fact he can't get a straight answer to your Individual request is probably not his fault. - -Phil Marx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:48:13 -0500 From: mark becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Trailer hitch for '97-'99 540 6 speed Can a trailer hitch be fitted to a 540 6 speed that will tow a light trailer and load such as a jet ski or snowmobile? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:09:54 -0600 From: "Dave Lacki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E34 Diff. fluid draining question.. Hello, Can anyone tell me how to get the fill plug out of a E34 diff. I have a Allen socket which fits...7mm I think.. but I cant get the socket wrench in there to remove the plug! I tried putting a open end wrench on the Allen socket but couldn't get the plug loose. Any ideas appreciated. Dave 90 535i 91 Alfa spider ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:04:12 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <Misc> Motorsports Support? I am continually amazed by a magazine that I receive every two months. It is put out by a major international automobile company and deals only with motorsports. Inside this full color, high quality publication are articles and advertisements touting this companies crate motors, high-performance upgrade parts, and pure racing parts. There are also tech questions and answers (some very technical), race team interviews (from international to regional), and product updates/info. If you have questions, they have an 800 tech line for you to call! Inside the Jan/Feb issue are a full motorsports race schedule (F1 to NHRA) and the details on one of their lucrative contingency programs. To top it all off, I get this magazine only b/c I once, a long time ago, showed some interest in autocrossing one of its cars and asked for more info. The company? DaimlerChrysler! The magazine is Mopar Performance News. The inside back cover of the Jan/Feb issue makes one drool -- a crate Viper motor being touted to early model year Viper owners and, get this, street rod people! You can even buy an installation manual that shows all the critical dimensions, engine and tranny mounting points, over 100 photos, etc., all so you can put the motor in whatever vehicle you want! Wouldn't it be nice if BMW had something like this? Sure wish BMW was this interested in providing motorsports and performance products for their customers... Regards, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:04:50 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <e30> Identifying a 325i -w- sport pkg Scott D Miller >Lagoon? Laguna green, please. Laguna has a nice, upscale sound. "Lagoon" >sounds more like some kind of pond scum. > >I love that Laguna color. It was actually an E36 color that ended up on a >few E30 sedans and convertibles at the end of the E30 production run. Actually, to be more correct, it was an 850i color first. ;^) - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:25:45 -0800 From: "Jonathan Reiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <Misc> Motorsports Support? BMW has the M Newsletter but it isn't anything like that. - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: [uuc] <Misc> Motorsports Support? > I am continually amazed by a magazine that I receive every two months. It is > put out by a major international automobile company and deals only with > motorsports. Inside this full color, high quality publication are articles > and advertisements touting this companies crate motors, high-performance > upgrade parts, and pure racing parts. There are also tech questions and > answers (some very technical), race team interviews (from international to > regional), and product updates/info. If you have questions, they have an 800 > tech line for you to call! Inside the Jan/Feb issue are a full motorsports > race schedule (F1 to NHRA) and the details on one of their lucrative > contingency programs. > > To top it all off, I get this magazine only b/c I once, a long time ago, > showed some interest in autocrossing one of its cars and asked for more info. > The company? DaimlerChrysler! The magazine is Mopar Performance News. > > The inside back cover of the Jan/Feb issue makes one drool -- a crate Viper > motor being touted to early model year Viper owners and, get this, street rod > people! You can even buy an installation manual that shows all the critical > dimensions, engine and tranny mounting points, over 100 photos, etc., all so > you can put the motor in whatever vehicle you want! Wouldn't it be nice if > BMW had something like this? > > Sure wish BMW was this interested in providing motorsports and performance > products for their customers... > > Regards, > > Kirk Lachman > Sin City Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <e30> Identifying a (lagoon green) 325i -w- sport pkg On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Scott D Miller wrote: > Lagoon? Laguna green, please. Laguna has a nice, upscale sound. > "Lagoon" sounds more like some kind of pond scum. > > I love that Laguna color. It was actually an E36 color that ended > up on a few E30 sedans and convertibles at the end of the E30 > production run. While I'm trying not to "invest" too much money in > my E30 (saving up for a newer M3 some day, you know), I'd just about > give my left testicle for a Laguna green E30 325i 4 door with sport > package. I know you lust after my Lagoon green E30 convertible, Scott. The Thing is, you want a hardtop, and I have no need for a 3rd testicle. But how about a kidney? I was at this party in New Orleans, and when I woke up in a bathtub full of ice the next day... And I'm looking forward to scrubbing off more rubber at the next GGC autocross!! (gotta show that Ochi fellow a thing or two this time) - -- John Bolhuis | "In America it is not considered to be mentally ill bolhuijo | when a woman advances on her prey in a discotheque @bolhuijo.com | setting with hardy cocktails present." | -Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:36:32 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] adding heaters to M3 seats (Cross posted to Suzy's E36M3 list.) Sorry if this has been asked and answered before, but I had no reason to pay attention then. A fellow CCA member is converting his '99 M3 into a race car. I can get the stock seats for what I consider a decent price. (I suppose I should ask the list, do you folks think $600 for the pair is a decent price for virtually new seats?) What I really want to know is the degree of difficulty in adding heaters. The notion is that these non-power, all manual adjustment seats would be installed in my E34 '93 525i turbo. While I would lose the power seat functions, I don't mind that so much in gaining more supportive sport seats. I do mind losing the seat heaters I have now, though. Should I forget the whole thing and just try to find power, heated seats from an M3 or even an E34 M5? Richard '00 M5 '93 525i turbo (which may soon become a 532i turbo with installation of an E36 M3 3.2 engine) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:37:01 -0500 From: "Langsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 M3 FS $13,750 1995 E36 M3 5 speed 72K miles Recovered Theft Theft recovery title Black/Blk leather, seats cut missing airbags, frt bumper cover and needs frt fenders. Both sides scraped AS IS $13,750.00 Contact: Mario Langsten Serious inquiries only!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:15:37 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> >With the Z8, BMW is touting that 6-10 days prior to DELIVERY, a customer >can change the specs on his/her Z8 with his dealer, via the internet. >Obviously, considering shipping, this ain't gonna happen in the US. But >then this model priced at nearly $130,000 comes in only 6 colors with only >4 interior choices, so big damn deal. Maybe they mean delivery in Europe? Although as a single data point, my M5 had a week 49 build (so let's say December 6) and was in my driveway on December 28. I realize that I probably hit the shipping schedule just right, am close to the POE, and also got a year end push to sell the committed iron before year end (which I learned later cost me about $400 because the luxo tax dropped Jan1), All they have to do is air freight those suckers over here and they can hit that 10 day thing. 8^O They can advertise it that way and how many times will they really have to do it? Or maybe they cut a deal with FedEx and that is the standard NA delivery for the Z8? Bill Matthews - waiting for the FedEx truck to show up Hockessin DE 00 MGeeze some Volvo's ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:19:40 EST From: "J Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Parts needed If anyone on the list has the following parts they would like to sell, please let me know via email. Thanks Justin Stock stereo for 87 E30 with 4 speaker system Sunroof Crank E30 M3 sruts with rotors and calipers E30 M3 trailing arms with stub axles, rotors and calipers E30 front spoiler is type tan sport seats for e30 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:15:35 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] In-car video moved to new site Since Netcom shutdown my pages b/c of excessive bandwidth (800MB in 3 days), I've moved my BMW pages to a geocities site. For the one lap in-car video of Road Atlanta, Carolina Motorsports Park, Roebling Road, go to the site below and follow the link to the e36 page. http://www.geocities.com/jvh_ice9 Enjoy! John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:27:33 EST From: "J Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Tech Question E30 Hey listers' Does the M50 engine have the same bolt pattern for transmission mounting as the M20 engines? Any input on installing an M50 engine in an E30 chassis would be appreciated. Justin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:20:21 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Rear placement of engines I don't know for sure but I pretty sure that the plugs can be changed with the engine still in the car. They may be reachable only from below. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gary, > > It's Cameros that I was thinking about when I asked the question. Do you still > have to drop the motor to get to the back plugs? > > -Kevin > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:30:32 PST From: "Perry Shang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW parts is pretty cheap Hi, all: Yes, relative speaking. I just swaped my suspension, the car is due in my hand tomorrow. (obligated BMW content). My friend's case however is not that quite simple. He has a Subaru SVX, those V6 AWD automatic sports car. His front lower control arm and automatic transmition just gave up. Guess how much it cost on parts alone. front lower control arm, $385 each. Och, I could buy myself a pair of M3 control arm plus bushing and include shipping and handling to me with change on that price. The next you won't believe, the automatic transmition cost is $6500 brand new or $2600 re-manufactured with trade in on the old one. Man! Now I am happy that I own a BMW that does not give up easily and cheaper parts supply. My dad's 93 525i in Taiwan has 160K two years ago, and haven't replaced any parts except some tires, oil filters and exhuast. quite amazing. Perry. 95 325is sport with some mod and "nut behind the wheel" upgrade. CCA: MotorCity. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #323 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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