[uucdigest] Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 357 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] re: Korman Open House, $7.00, gee Bret [uuc] RE:Gimme a B! RE: [uuc] Home at last. [uuc] Gateway Tech [uuc] wire source [uuc] Wanted: Wagon...Any leads on a touring? [uuc] Re: <E30> Idle Control Valve [uuc] Requesting info on racing seats Selling a high milage car.. [uuc] 1991 525i for sale...again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:56:00 -0500 From: Allen Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: Korman Open House, $7.00, gee Bret Brett and others interested; Our Open House is co-hosted by the Tarheel Chapter as well. Originally the Chapter provided the food and the club wives handled the serving duties. This evolved into Korman handling the event entirely, though we still get some help at the door and serving line from Club Members (which we greatly appreciate!). Support we get from vendors is in the form of product, which is used for door prizes. This leaves staff salary for the event ( and several days before and after as well), tables, chairs, food, band, tents, door prizes we provide, travel costs for guests, etc. for us to cover. It costs us several thousand dollars a year to host this event, it's a lot of work, but the attendees enjoy it and we enjoy seeing them every year. The admission helps defray PART of the costs for the food and tables. If you had ever been to one, you'd see it's not as much a sales day for us as it is a day for the attendees to share information, ideas, and get motivated for spring and summer BMW activities. Other area shops are usually well represented at the event. More people attend every year and we see many of the same faces returning so someone must feel it's worth a whole $7.00. It would be nice to be able to offer free admittance to everyone. Let's see, should we stop sending the big check to support O'fest every year, or should we just up our prices a bit to cover these costs. There's no free lunch. When you are able to match our level of support at a local and national level, you have earned the right to criticize. Tell you what, if you want to come down I'll have a VIP pass waiting for you. Feed you lunch and everything, free. Want to set up a booth to share some technical info with the attendees? Great. Let me know how many tables you need and if you need power for your display. I'll bet the crowd could go for a few of your service CD's too, I'll let you present them in person when we draw names for door prizes. I'll be sure to include your company's name when we list vendors who supported the event. Let me know if you need info on area hotels, directions and so on. Allen Patterson Korman Autoworks, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:44:50 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE:Gimme a B! Gawd! I almost fell off my chair laughing Thank God, no ones in the office yet. Zach > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:03:59 -0500 > From: "Duane Collie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Gimme a B !! > > >KNOBS! Two knobs, that's IT. Big knobs, just like we like > >'em! Knobs you can wrap a hand around and KNOW what you've got a hold > >of; one for volume, one for tuning. OK, I can see having coaxial or > >push-pull type controls for other functions of a modern > stereo built in > >to those knobs, but give me two big freakin' knobs so I don't have to > >search for freakin' chicklet sized buttons! > > Hey Ron..... > > Didcha know that if you substitute the word "BOOBS" for > "knobs" in that > paragraph you wrote....it ....<burp>......well........it just > reads a whole > lot better..... > > - - Duane Collie > The Sled > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:07:59 -0500 From: "John Van Houten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Home at last. >The really interesting part is that high speed is not necessary - it's also extremely >comfortable at slow speeds. The E28 M5 which says "Come on, drive me fast, >what are ya a wuss or sumthin'? Let's move it or I shall question your >manhood further!" The E34 M5 has a completely different attitude, more of a >"tamed beast" that is happy giving rides at a little kid's birthday party or >jumping through rings of fire at Cirque du Soleil. That convoluted >comparison is meant to imply that the car is tractable at any speed, and >doesn't get you frustrated because it's not singing at 7,000 rpm. I had the opportunity to drive a friend's E28 M5 (Thanks Bob!) at Roebling Road this past weekend. I really fell in love with the car. It was bone stock, save for a chip and Kuhmos, but did very well in the A group with all the M3s and modified cars. It was so smooth and quiet in comparison to the e12 race car I had been driving all weekend--I felt I could roll the windows up, put on some Mozart, and have a nice Sunday drive...at 135mph. The problem is, my previous WANT of an M5 is now a NEED. I guess I'll have to start looking around for a nice e28 or e34, if the S.O. doesn't kill me first... John BSEG from M5 drive at Roebling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:30:48 -0600 From: "Christopher J. Kolaitis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Gateway Tech Hey Eric, Welcome aboard to the mystery event in St., Louis. You can make reservations at the Holiday Inn Westport, St. Louis at the special rate of $77.00 per day, 314.434.0100. Be sure to mention Gateway Tech. If they say huh, hang up and go home after your business trip. See you there, and puleeze don't ask me about your 535, because I duno. Chris, Windy City Club Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:26:02 -0800 From: Erick Baumeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Gateway Tech Info? Well, I thought I could put off a business trip to St. Louis until I wouldn't need to go. No such luck, I've got to be there 3/19-22. Right before I made my reservations, either by dumb luck or divine intervention, I realized that the end of my trip coincides with the start of Gateway Tech. Yea! But damned if I can find any info on the internet. The STL chapters website http://www.stlbmwclub.com/ doesn't resolve. Anybody know what's up? It's still on, right? Who's going? Should I extend my trip? Where to stay? Enough questions for tonight. An update for those helping me troubleshoot my 535. It still has the loping idle that's preventing it from passing emissions inspection. I've got a few more things to try before giving up and taking it to a shop. Erick Baumeister ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:40:11 -0600 From: "Holeman, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] wire source Hi, Over the next few weeks I plan to wire up some gauges and I understand it is best to use a wire with a resistant coating for leads to the senders. I also understand that BMW uses different colors to denote different uses and gauge sizes. I would appreciate it someone could point me to the color/wire chart. I know it's out there somewhere but I don't remember where. Secondly, can anyone suggest a good source that carries the right wire in the various colors for a good price. David Holeman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:48:05 -0500 From: Eurowerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Wanted: Wagon...Any leads on a touring? I have a client that needs a touring. Does anyone have a lead on a touring on the east coast? Prefferably around KY? - -- Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 606-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.euromajic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:41:31 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <E30> Idle Control Valve Jack, my ICV experiences are similar to yours, only I haven't replaced mine yet. At the last Inspection I, the tech cleaned my ICV. The stumble off of idle went away, but within a week the stumble was back. I've just learned to hit the gas a little earlier than I when I really want the acceleration, but I'll eventually have to replace the thing. Thanks for the tip on a source for the part. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 1990 325i/isH (hybrid) with stumble off idle >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:35:26 -0500 >From: "Money, Jack (J.J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [uuc] <E30> Idle Control Valve > >Yo David, > >You ask: > ><<Well, my ICV has finally gone kaput and it's time for a new one. Does >anybody know if there's a place that sells rebuilt units? If there is, do >they work well, or should I just shell out the $150 or so to get a new >one.>> > >I just replaced mine recently. Ordered it from James Dean at The BMW Store >in Cincinnati (800.543.1649). Cost is ~$94. Can't help with a rebuilt, >I've never heard of anyone that sells them. You might be able to clean it >enough to make it last a bit longer (that is unless it's totally gone)....I >used brake cleaner to clean and then WD-40 to lube it up afterwords. It >helped for about a month, then deterioration set in again. Another lube job >gave about 2 more weeks then I finally replaced the damn thing. Mine wasn't >exactly kaput but it was getting there. Tell James I sent you...doesn't do >anything for me I just want him to know that I'm satisfied with the service. >Others may offer additional sources. Have fun! > >Regards, > >Jack Money ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:52:48 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Requesting info on racing seats Hello, I'm preparing my E30 M3 for Club Racing and am researching a replacement racing seat. My budget is requiring me to look at relatively inexpensive models. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge on the following products? Sparco Ultra Sparco Phoenix Omp Eco I'd be willing to purchase a used seat in this category/price range if someone has upgraded. One with a winning heritage would be nice too :) Thanks Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:38:57 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Selling a high milage car.. [uuc] 1991 525i for sale...again NOTE: After carefully sending this to the WRONG LIST again (the Internet BMW Riders list - for real 2 wheeled BMW's) - here it is. Interesting - a few people over there liked it :-> DUH! Presentation, presentation, presentation.. Glenn asks: >Well, I thought I sold it, but it fell through. Therefore, I'm putting my >1991 525i back up for sale. > >That said, let me ask a question about this. I've looked up the Blue Book on >the car, and it states 13,300 since it has about 94,500 miles. It's had one >accident at low speeds (in town, therefore only about 25 miles an hour) and >did not effect the frame of the car. Blue-Book retail? What is NADA retail? And wholesale? >While I've had many calls, and two people that have come to actually drive >the car (both of whom really liked it) I can't seem to sell it. I've already >gone down to 11,500 on the price. The guy that I thought I sold it to really >didn't want to pay much for a car. But even he said that after he drove the >car, he felt he'd have to offer more because he felt it handled really well >for a car of it's age. I feel it's because it's been taken such good care >of. However, as I said, no one seems to want to buy the car. > >Finally, the question: why? That is, why won't anyone buy it? I've come >down about two grand from the blue book! And as the one guy said, it's in >excellent shape (lots of new parts) so I really feel it's worth at least the >11,500. Is it just that people looking for an older car like mine are really >looking for a cheap car, even if it is a BMW? > >Whatever advice would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Glenn Having sold my 125k mile '92 525i last spring (and having sold lots of other high-milage cars I've owned) for $13k.. here are some hints: 1. Get ridda the tire kickers. If you're advertising - put the milage IN THE AD. Do not put 'highway miles' in the ad.. that's just too overused. An average car does 12-15k miles per year - expected. Your car is 9 years old - it's a LOW milage example. Again - to eliminate the people showing up and saying "wow - that's a lotta miles" and wasting your time PUT THE MILAGE IN THE AD (and if you're hanging signs on the car - on the signs). 2. Put the price in the ad. Eliminates the guy who can't afford it. Gives them a base price you're thinking about. Make it $1000 higher than you really want. Someplace between retail-wholesale. 3. Prep the car: If the accident damage is apparent - then the price is gonna have to drop a LOT - even if it was a minor accident. Mismatched paint? Visible dents? There is a reason used car dealers spend money on 'prep'.. first appearance is lasting (sets the 'karma' of the car in the buyers mind). Interior? Have you taken the floor-mats to the local laundrymat and washed them? Have you scrubbed up the interior? Is the glass spotless inside/out? All your junk cleaned out of the glovebox/trunk/doorpockets? I have even gone to the trouble of refinishing seats (I had the matched leather paint left from when I got the car) right before selling it. PRESENTATION is vital! Exterior: If you're not a fanatic - take it to someone who is paid to be - a detailer. You want the car to look WELL MAINTAINED and as close to factory new - without looking hokey - as possible. Use the tire treatment - but then rub it off with a towel - you want the tires to look good - not shiny. Glass CLEAN. Finish clean and shiny. Little things stick in peoples minds - look at the car as if you're buying it - and fix whatever sticks out. 4. Service records and underhood.. have your service records handy. If excessive (thing was a DOG) - I'd suggest turning it into a dealer and taking a whipping (I've never sold a car I've owned to a private party which was troublesome..) Good records of regular maintenance will pay you $$$ when selling the car. Lots of dealers just throw these away - you shouldn't. Have them in a folder in chronological order. They go with the car.. Underhood should be CLEAN but not looked like the usual used-car-dealer shiny. Spend some time with simple-green and a lot of rags and some water from your garden hose. If it's hopeless - why are you selling this car instead of a dealer who you should have traded it in to? [Note - only downside to all this prep is when you're done the old boat will look SO good that you wanna keep it.. make sure the new car is in the driveway to help overcome this.. also - if the new car is a BMW - it shows prospective buyers that you like the brand well enough to buy another one..] 5. Keeping the upper hand (this is top secret stuff!): In any negotiation - you want to have the upper hand. In car deals.. here is what I do: a. Limited time for dickering. Make certain that the buyer understands you are not gonna dicker forever. Have an appointment you HAVE to go to. Some people LOVE to dicker. I don't. Dragging it out doesn't make it better (unlike sex). b. They make the first offer. NEVER EVER open the bidding. Ever. Use terms like "what's it worth to you?" If they ask "wadda take for it" - reply with "what's it worth to you?" If they ABSOLUTELY insist on a price from you - use the price you advertised it for, and sound FIRM. Remember - when selling - you can NEVER raise your first opening.. so make it the price you were asking. c. Don't 'have to sell it' - even to yourself. Project the attitude to the buyer that you don't care if THEY buy it - you have other prospects and are confident enough of the car that it isn't terrible important if THEY buy it. d. Set a time for them to visit and see it. "Sometime this afternoon" is horseshit. At 2PM (and say you have to go out at 3PM) is a real appointment. "Maybe I'll stop by" is horseshit - I've had them not ask for directions or the address.. "I'll be there at 1PM" is a real buyer. You want to be shed of the tirekickers, browsers, test-riders for fun. You want REAL buyers. e. Test-drive. If the person looks responsible - I usually hand them the keys in exchange for either the keys to the car they drove up in - and tell them "have fun!" and let them take the car on their own. Risky? Mebbe a bit - but I've sold the car to every person I've ever done this with. Shows YOU have confidence in the car - and you trust them. Just make sure your insurance IS paid up and covers theft and collision :-) [You can plead terminal-stupidity to the insurance company]. If they aren't someone you'd do this with - they prolly aren't REALLY a buyer so think of some way to get rid of them without giving them a test drive (or make it a test-ride - you drive - they ride and make some excuse about insurance.) f. MONEY TALKS - someone with cash is serious. No cash - no serious. If I'm going to buy a car - I always take $1000 in cash with me. MONEY TALKS (bullshit walks..). If someone shows serious green - they're a real buyer. g. Watch their hands. If you spot them touching their wallet, they're serious. It's a reflex action on the part of males.. checking the wallet before making an offer. Watch for it, it's amazingly accurate. 6. ADVERTISE, ADVERTISE, ADVERTISE. I'm lucky - I live on a corner where there is some traffic.. I've sold at least 1/2 the cars I've owned by just parking them on the corner with a for-sale sign on them (with year, miles and price on it..) - if you're not that lucky - consider taking the car to work, the mall, *where-ever* with a for-sale sign on it - and on the sign include a way to contact you (duh!) - this is free advertising. No cost = no loss Paid advertising? Newspaper is obvious - don't scrimp on the ad. Put in details (including price asked and milage, colors, all the BMW luxo features). Make YOUR AD stand out (I once took a full-page ad in a boat-seller-throwaway for a sailboat I wanted to sell RIGHT NOW. The place that published this thing never had a private person do this before.. sold the boat in 2 days in the middle of the winter when boats don't sell.. there IS a reason dealers pay for big attention getting ads..) Car-seller throw-aways? Worthwhile IF you can get on the cover. Costs more - but it will work. Or - if you can dicker a good price on a full-page private ad.. :-) Oh - my experience on the above?? My wife used to keep track of it - but I think she quit counting at about 28 or so.. which is the number of cars I've owned since I started driving about 32 years ago. I *like* cars but I bore easily (usually..) and except for some real dogs - I've sold the ones I'm bored with privately.. the dogs went to dealers - they should'a known better :-) OH - and on buying a car - hey - you know all my secrets - so turn them around - it's very doable (I always do.. :-) Best, ................................................................... Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.monmouth.com/~deilenberger "You're absolutely right, and I apologize" --Darryl Richman "Silly me... I apologize." --Tim Hall "Sorry..." --Magwa ................................................................... ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #357 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
