[uucdigest] Thursday, March 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 374 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] E36 fuzzy headlight covers RE: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM poster? re: [uuc] Books on suspension tuning.. [uuc] The perfect car (definite BMW content :-) [uuc] Track tires And Fitment [uuc] 3rd Mid-Atlantic 318ti Festival August 11-12-13, 2000 Re: [uuc] Gloves RE: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM poster? Re: [uuc] The perfect car (definite BMW content :-) [uuc] proper way to store a car [uuc] last comments on car sales... [uuc] <MISC> re:books on handling [uuc] Honda M3 Pics Re: [uuc] <MISC> re:books on handling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:40:07 -0800 (PST) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 fuzzy headlight covers I have heard many complaints in the past about E36 headlight covers (the plastic ones) that get foggy over time due to exposure to the elements. It was my understanding that new headlight assemblies cost over $200 each making replacement very costly. Today I was surfing over at Turner and discovered that he's got headlight assemblies (lens, bucket, plastic cover) for $69.95 each. For that price you could easilly change them every five years ;-) Anyone ever try these lights from Turner? www.turnermotorsport.com/image/electrical/electrical_e36_light_lg.jpg ===== David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:57:29 -0500 From: "Heckendorf, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM poster? Chester, Funny you should ask... I actually saw this on display at a poster shop on Pier 39 when I was in San Francisco two weeks ago... Since it was just a poster shop (kinda like a "Prints Plus"), I'd imagine that a similar store in NYC (if Pier 39 is too far me to go get one for you, and I only live in L.A., that it's even more so for you...) should also have it along with the Ferrari and Lambo posters. If not, perhaps you can con a list member who lives in S.F. to go get you one?? Regards, Dave - -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM poster? Like the one featured in: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273425668 Thanks, Chester ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:52:14 -0500 From: "Osterbrink, Mark (AFS-Warren)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re: [uuc] Books on suspension tuning.. I don't know which book the instructor was talking about, but I have some suggestions, depending on what you want to do. For modifying a suspension, the books by Carroll Smith (... to Win) are fairly good and understandable, along with Paul Van Valkenburgh's book. If you want to get in depth, Race Car Vehicle Dynamics by Milliken & Milliken has probably everything you'd ever want to know. If you just want help on setting up the suspension you have, Smith has a pocket sized book that lists on one side what changing a factor (shocks, roll bars, etc.) does (more understeer, etc.), and a list of factors to change to get a result on the other side (e.g.. soften front roll bar to reduce understeer). It's a laminated quick reference thing meant to by used trackside / in the pits. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:05:54 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] The perfect car (definite BMW content :-) The perfect car would, in my opinion: 1) Have a body/frame engineered by Daimler Benz (not the Mopar guys) 2) Have a drivetrain and suspension engineered by BMW without restraint from bean counters or Daimler Benz 3) Be manufactured by Toyota 4) Be marketed by Saturn How does that sound? Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:06:44 -0500 From: "Henry Caldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Track tires And Fitment Henry wrote: >I have a '92 325i sedan. The 235x40x17 fit without rub on 17x8 wheels. >Henry Duane advised: >>Ahhhh....be careful here! Fitment depends on OFFSET of the wheels and contour of the shoulder of the tires, as well as that particular tire manufacturer's way of measuring the tire!.... A 8" wheel with 42mm offset will fit fine. A 8" wheel with 38mm offset should be pretty good, depending on the tire used. A 8" wheel with a 35mm offset is gonna cause problems and you'll be rolling fenders. It's more than reading sizes on the tires!<< My offset is 38mm, which should have been noted.But being momentarily brain dead ....well you get the picture... Henry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:25:20 -0400 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 3rd Mid-Atlantic 318ti Festival August 11-12-13, 2000 I'm trying to get a bunch of 318ti owners together. But this little event is open to all. Ron Katona and I have talked about having a weekend event for 318ti owners. Again, EVERYONE is welcomed. We created the 3rd Annual Mid-Atlantic ti-Fest. It is in conjunction with the National Capital Chapter. Basically we are tagging some events to our chapter's events. ;) Maybe this will be a good time to combine a little vacation to visit Washington, DC or Baltimore, MD How's this for a weekend? All real tentative based on the number of people who want to participate. For the track junkies, start off with a taste of Summit Point Raceway. Thurday Aug 10 We will meet in Charles Town, WV at ti-Fest West for an impromptu gathering. (motel to be announced) Friday Aug 11 Then we drive 15 minutes to the track. 7:45am FATT (Friday at the Track) at Summit Point, WV http://www.bsr-inc.com/bsr/summit/SPR.HTM (This is *not* a BMW CCA sponsored event) Cost $150.00 (subject to change) Will need to pre-register early. Don't want to do the track thing. Then join us in the evening at the Last Chance Saloon in Columbia, Maryland (tentative) Saturday Aug 12 Don't want to toss your bobtail around? How about waxing it up for the Concours? Or bring your R/C and participate in the 1st Annual R/C autocross. Autocross / Councours / Remote Control Autocross (location TBA) Hopefully some vendors. How about we all go to Dave and Busters for some video games in Bethesda, MD or maybe a dinner somewhere. Can't make it down Saturday? Try your skills at our TSD Rally. Sunday Aug 13 am Basic Training TSD Rally The start may be in Virginia and will probably end up in a restaurant for the awards ceremony. Our TSD rallies are at or below speed limits. Each team needs two people, one to drive and one to navigate. See my rally web page for more info about rallying. http://www.branded.org Notes: The TSD rally will run on paved or solid dirt roads. If anyone has any suggestions or questions, please let me know. Prizes will be awarded for 318ti owners. We will work on discounted motels. See http://www.318ti.org/ti-fest2000 for more details. ...steven ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:17:00 -0400 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Gloves At 2:22 PM -0800 3/2/2000, KKiely wrote: >When doing a Driver's school or AutoX, are gloves and advised tool? I know >on my >wheel when the weather is cooler and my hands dry getting good traction on the >wheels is more difficult. > >Do gloves hinder performance by reducing "feel" and the ability to slide along >the wheel ? I wouldn't consider myself an expert on the subject but I absolutely think gloves are the way to go. As long as the fit correctly. I'm using gloves from Sparco since they seemed to have a wide variety of sizes. And like helmets, it's best to try different ones on for size in person. In fact I bought mine at ogracing.com in Manassass and took a few pairs to the car with me so I could get a good feel. My hands would get clammy, I guess from being tense, so the gloves really helped. Also on those early cold laps when the steering is as cold a witch's knob, you'll be glad you have them. Also consider the color, not that fashion is important. I use bright yellow so it contrasts my bright red car. I want corner workers and cars to see my hands pointing to pass. ...steven ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:40:07 -0700 From: "Halton, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM poster? http://www.autotrend.com/9078.html http://www.haleymotorsports.com/PSTMCL01.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Heckendorf, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 3:57 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM > poster? > > > Chester, > > Funny you should ask... I actually saw this on display at a > poster shop on > Pier 39 when I was in San Francisco two weeks ago... Since > it was just a > poster shop (kinda like a "Prints Plus"), I'd imagine that a > similar store > in NYC (if Pier 39 is too far me to go get one for you, and I > only live in > L.A., that it's even more so for you...) should also have it > along with the > Ferrari and Lambo posters. If not, perhaps you can con a > list member who > lives in S.F. to go get you one?? > > Regards, > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:00:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] <OT> Anyone know where I can get the McLaren LM poster? > > Like the one featured in: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273425668 > > Thanks, > Chester > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:49:06 -0800 From: "Jonathan Reiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] The perfect car (definite BMW content :-) Why manufactured by Toyota? Toyota uses incredidly cheap components on their automobiles to keep costs down. My impression when climbing into a current model camry is "Is this a $8,000 Daewoo or a $25,000 Toyota?" If you compare the previous body style Camry to the current one..... the current one is really a piece of sh*t. This seems to hold true for all current model toyotas...... Sheet metal is incredibly thin, materials are horrid, fit and finish is very poor.... Also, Toyota has the worst dealer based customer satisfaction of any auto maker in the world (fact). I also feel Mitsubishi makes an incredibly cheap product (check out an Eclipse interior sometime). Honda seems to be only one left who still makes a half way decent product at a reasonable price. If I were to purchase something other than a BMW..... It would be a '00 Honda Accord Coupe or S2000. Besides, Toyotas are incredibly boring to drive where as a Honda is more BMWish in driver feedback and fun dept. The manufacturing of BMW and Mercedes is some of the highest quality I have ever seen in a car. Fit and finish are second to none. This is why I own one (actually, I currently own 2, and have owned 4 all together).... that and the fact that the dealer treats you like a king, the road side assistance, loaner cars, 4y/50,000 mile warranty, 36,000 free service, better resale value than Acura, Lexus, or Infinity, great customer service etc. Although I have to admit I have seen a degrade in customer service at all levels within BMW since the economy came back and they have started selling more cars than ever... Suddenly, I am not so special it seems (damn!).. but this is natural. - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: [uuc] The perfect car (definite BMW content :-) > The perfect car would, in my opinion: > 1) Have a body/frame engineered by Daimler Benz (not the Mopar > guys) > 2) Have a drivetrain and suspension engineered by BMW without > restraint from bean counters or Daimler Benz > 3) Be manufactured by Toyota > 4) Be marketed by Saturn > > How does that sound? > > Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:53:07 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] proper way to store a car If your name happens to be Rob and you have a 538ti the proper way to store it is at my house! (just try to picture the valet parkers from Ferris buelers day off driving the Ferrari) Brian Jacobs 98 318ti 99 Z3 coupe Everglades CCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:07:29 -0800 From: "Brian Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] last comments on car sales... > As a seller, you do not want the buyer to have the car before > delivery for any reason except a test drive. Also, make it clear > that the sale is "as-is", no guarantee, and final. California prevents you -- by law -- from waiving responsibility for certain criteria. For example, you cannot sell a car 1974 and later that cannot pass smog for use on the street. You cannot knowingly sell a car with a salvage title without informing the buyer. You cannot knowingly sell a car with a legally mandated safety system disabled or removed (this includes faulty brakes, ABS, seatbelts, lights, etc.). The way to get around this is that you are selling the car as parts and not for use on any public highway. Bottom line: Even in writing, you cannot waive your responsibility by saying there are no guarantees and the car is sold "as is". > Likewise, a caller who tries to > negotiate a price without having seen the car is also not serious. Not true. I've sold cars to people -- and bought cars from people -- where the price is set on the phone without seeing the car. Not in the same class as the high mileage '91 525i that started this conversation, but you cannot over generalize here either. Brian Foster Irvine CA ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:10:38 -0500 From: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <MISC> re:books on handling Dennis Jeong replied to > Chris Pawlowicz writes: > > >there is a book by Puhn called 'How to Make Your Car Handle' (or > >something pretty close to that) > > Has the book been updated? I just checked the one that I have and > it's dated 1976. Boy, do I feel old. > nope, I think mine is the same vintage.. with pictures of MG's and Triumphs and stuff.. on the other hand, I don't think a lot has changed in car dynamics. Sure, newer cars are a million times more sophisticated, but stuff like camber, caster, roll centre, unsprung weight, corner weighting etc are all the same as they were back then. And the book costs like $15 or something :) chris pawlowicz '89 325i '74 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:17:31 -0600 From: Scott Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Honda M3 Pics Just looked at the pictures of the new M3 - Thank GOD they put a "door ajar" warning pictogram on the instrument cluster. I can't tell you how many times I've been motoring along, unaware that my door is swinging open and shut as I turn left and right. They think of everything, don't they? Now if they can just get a cheezy voice that announces the fact, they'll be all set. I think they can get some NOS pieces from Chrysler... Did y'all notice that even though it posted on a Honda/Acura site, nobody there had much negative to say about it? Someone even promised that if he had one, he wouldn't even rice it up (His words, not mine). They display an admirable level of tolerance, don't they? Scott 1985 535i ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:15:54 -0800 From: "Jonathan Reiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <MISC> re:books on handling From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: [uuc] <MISC> re:books on handling > Dennis Jeong writes: > <snip> > > Has the book been updated? I just checked the one that I have and > > it's dated 1976. Boy, do I feel old. > > > > Chris Pawlowicz writes: > nope, I think mine is the same vintage.. with pictures of MG's and > Triumphs and stuff.. > Dang....... You're both old goats. =) ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #374 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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